Exposing Fake Gurus: Brutally Honest Breakdown of Social Media Scammers
When someone looks too good to be true online, they probably are! And we’re putting that theory to the test. In this episode, Chris, Saied, and Rajeil invite listeners to submit the Instagram handles of “professionals” who might just be full-time finessers in disguise. From fake real estate moguls to lifestyle coaches with mysteriously rented Lambos, the crew breaks down how to spot a scammer before your wallet does.
➡️ But this isn’t just about calling out nonsense, it’s about teaching you how to separate the signal from the scam. The hosts dissect why so many people fall for polished frauds, the psychology of digital deception, and how clout has become the new currency of credibility. It’s part social experiment, part financial intervention, and fully hilarious.
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Speaker A:No, you don't.
Speaker B:We're gonna be classy about this.
Speaker A:No, we're not.
Speaker A:We're all.
Speaker A:We always say we're gonna be classy.
Speaker B:We're classy folk.
Speaker A:We're not classy folk.
Speaker A:We're not ourselves and the audience, welcome.
Speaker B:Back to the number one financial literacy podcast in the world.
Speaker B:This is the higher standard.
Speaker B:Getting right into it, like I promised.
Speaker A:Yeah, right into it.
Speaker B:Sitting in front of me is my partner in crime, Christopher Nahibi.
Speaker A:Sitting across me, my partner in time, the one, the only, the classiest of us all.
Speaker A:Say Omar.
Speaker B:Oh, thank you, my man.
Speaker B:And sitting behind the ones and twos in the production suite, the fighting Fijian, Rajeel.
Speaker B:What's up, my guy?
Speaker B:That's me.
Speaker B:What's up?
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:This episode, we are going to dive into what we, as a team here like to look at when we are seeing a profile online and whether we would consider this person a quote unquote, believable person in their respected industry or.
Speaker B:Or a scammer or a scammer.
Speaker A:Stop.
Speaker B:We don't.
Speaker A:We don't want to call.
Speaker B:We don't want to.
Speaker A:We don't want.
Speaker B:We don't want to.
Speaker B:We don't want to call them scammers, bro.
Speaker B:Because they might not be scammers.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:I can see that one of the two of us needs to come in a little hotter than the other one.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Coming high.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So what we're gonna do today is we're gonna play a little game modeled after Chris Hansen, pre bad reputation called how to Catch a Scammer.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Similar to how.
Speaker A:How to Catch a Predator.
Speaker A:We are going to go through a little bit of a logical process of what we like to look for whenever we see somebody come up as somebody that we should look at or investigate.
Speaker A:This happens a lot.
Speaker A:People get.
Speaker A:Our DMs will tell us now right off the top of the show, the big asterisk.
Speaker A:Okay, I want to be very, very clear here.
Speaker A:We are not going to call anybody actually a scammer.
Speaker A:We're just going to say, is this person more likely or not to be legitimate or illegitimate?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We are not accusing anybody of any wrongdoing, but this is for educational purposes only.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:See the disclaimer in the show notes.
Speaker A:That being said, I would like to extend an open invite to anybody that we cannot find to be legitimate or we have feeling.
Speaker A:There are a couple names that came up in my DMs that I know I do not feel very strongly confident about.
Speaker A:Them being ethical.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they definitely wouldn't.
Speaker B:Wouldn't ever dare to come on the show.
Speaker A:But I will extend the offer to anybody that we call out today.
Speaker A:They are welcome to come on.
Speaker A:I will give them a good faith collegial conversation and an opportunity to be heard.
Speaker B:And if the listeners would like for them to go and come on our show, please go spam their comments and tell them to come on to the higher standard.
Speaker A:One or two of these have actually spammed my comments before with their listeners, so.
Speaker A:All right, so with no further ado, Rejeel the first name on the list.
Speaker B:Right into it.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker A:Alrighty.
Speaker B:First name on the list.
Speaker B:This is where you step in, my guy.
Speaker B:Okay, I am doing this.
Speaker B:Oh, sorry, guys.
Speaker B:Technical difficulties over.
Speaker A:Here.
Speaker B:We go.
Speaker B:We got Dan Young.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:That is Dan Young.
Speaker B:I've never heard the name.
Speaker A:Okay, Dan's Millionaire code already.
Speaker A:Red flag.
Speaker B:Okay, wait, look.
Speaker B:Okay, in the bio, we got entrepreneur crypto.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:My red flags immediately goes up.
Speaker A:That doesn't bother me so much.
Speaker A:The entrepreneur, crypto, stocks AI technology.
Speaker A:CEO of PC Laptops.
Speaker A:Something else.
Speaker A:Ugly unicorn.
Speaker A:All interesting names.
Speaker A:Never heard of them.
Speaker B:Founder of PC Laptops.
Speaker A:Okay, now, Dan's millionaire code.
Speaker A:The problem is the username for me, but let's.
Speaker A:Let's go into it.
Speaker A:Click that open.
Speaker A:Let's take a look here.
Speaker A:Okay, he's got.
Speaker A:Click the open more in the bio here.
Speaker A:I want to see what the.
Speaker A:What that.
Speaker A:A little higher.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Perfect.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:Right there.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:PC laptops.
Speaker B:All right, so we got.
Speaker B:Let's see right off the top.
Speaker B:Okay, he's verified.
Speaker B:He's got 89,000 followers.
Speaker A:None of that means anything to me.
Speaker B:Nothing.
Speaker B:Yeah, right at the top.
Speaker A:So what I care more about is he's.
Speaker A:He's producing content that shows him and his family in the top left there, which is nice.
Speaker A:So anytime I see someone's profile and I see luxury lifestyle, as opposed to just talking head stuff, I'm concerned right out the gate.
Speaker A:And this guy seems to scroll down to his portfolio.
Speaker A:Scroll down a little bit.
Speaker A:I just want to see the, The, The.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The pictures here.
Speaker A:So, yeah, he's got pictures of his kids.
Speaker A:He's got a couple pictures of him in cars.
Speaker A:Couple cars alone.
Speaker A:So nothing right out the gate that jumps off.
Speaker A:I mean, he could just be a guy who likes cars, but he does use the page for personally purposes.
Speaker A:It looks like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there's no, like, flashy captions to try to grab your attention, right?
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Cold calling customers here.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And I should point out one of the things you're going to see as a reoccurring theme in social media moving forward, if you haven't started to notice it already, is less quality content as far as production value goes.
Speaker A:And more just like this, somebody recording with their phone, go all the way back up to the top.
Speaker B:This makes you.
Speaker B:That makes you feel what this makes you.
Speaker A:So you're going to see more people who would otherwise be trying to sell you stuff.
Speaker A:So there's this in and of itself because he's just talking to him.
Speaker A:All you see is his shoulders and his head.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That does not in and of itself exclude him from being somebody in the scammer bucket, per se.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:A lot of people who were guys who used to have really high produced content have figured out that this, the more organic, non AI looking stuff actually sells better.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Which is so interesting.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like just go back, you know, 50, 70 years and you look at what a con man was.
Speaker B:Con man, short for confidence man.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It was someone that dressed well, someone that presented well, that could use the vernacular of whatever industry that they were using, that never stumbled on their words.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And they could sell you face to face.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Nowadays, for most people, they think, okay, they're curating an image, like a nice image online and they can now put themselves in front of a flashy car or a nice office space.
Speaker B:And for me now, as we move forward with the new style of content that gets created, this would appear to be more trustworthy.
Speaker A:So there is a problem right off the gate on his profile that I did not mention that jumped out of me right when we got here.
Speaker A:And it is the highlight that says testimonials.
Speaker A:Unless you're selling a product on social media, you would not need testimonials.
Speaker A:And for those of you who happen to know, I run a business, I've ran businesses before, run several businesses.
Speaker A:I do not put testimonials on my page because none of my businesses sell vis a vis my social, My, my, my social media presence.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:So that already tells me he's selling something.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Which isn't entirely bad.
Speaker A:I mean, go to the link tree, link in bio up there and click on that there.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Perfect.
Speaker A:Let's see what we got here.
Speaker A:Ugly unicorn.
Speaker A:Crypto fund.
Speaker A:Questionable.
Speaker A:There's a lot of people in the crypto space who I think are unethical, although that doesn't necessarily exclude him.
Speaker A:He's got a podcast, he's Got a podcast, can't trust him.
Speaker A:Let's see here.
Speaker A:PC laptops serving Utah with awesome computers.
Speaker A:I don't even know what that.
Speaker A:Click on that.
Speaker A:What is that?
Speaker B:Yeah, promotes this pretty hard.
Speaker B:Oh, I like that promotion.
Speaker B:Free monitor, keyboard, mouse with any computer.
Speaker B:Oh, so he builds computers.
Speaker A:Okay, so he's got a business.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:All right, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not discussing this.
Speaker A:So this to me says he's got a real brick and mortar business or a real business.
Speaker A:PC repair, laptop repair, computer sales, backup data, laptop sales.
Speaker B:Okay, it's all fine.
Speaker A:I don't know how much money you're going to make doing this, but hey, he's got something that's real here, which I like.
Speaker A:He and I are both in need of hair transplants for our thinning hair.
Speaker A:Shout out to your boy Dan.
Speaker A:Go, go back to the next page.
Speaker A:I want to go back.
Speaker A:Go back to link the link tree.
Speaker A:Link tree, yeah, there you go.
Speaker A:Let's go to the unicorn crypto Ugly Unicorn crypto fund.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What is this?
Speaker A:There was also a red flag on that page.
Speaker A:I'm going back to here, but.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Blockchain market strategies.
Speaker A:Discover effective strategies for navigating the volatile landscape of crypto market and emphasizing risk mitigation, yield farming and long term investment approach to optimizing portfolio growth and market resilience.
Speaker A:Okay, here's where we're going to unpack some stuff that people really skip over.
Speaker A:Here's what I want you to do.
Speaker A:I want you to.
Speaker A:So he's got an investor's report.
Speaker A:He's got some type of fund that he's put together here.
Speaker A:Dan young.
Speaker A:Go to LinkedIn and go to Dan Young.
Speaker A:I want to see what his professional pedigree is here.
Speaker B:Is that on his link tree?
Speaker A:On the.
Speaker A:Go to LinkedIn and then.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's not going to have it on a link tree because he doesn't presumably have what I would call a traditional pedigree Right now, the crypto space that isn't necessarily mutually exclusive.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:To me, you're not going to say.
Speaker A:I'm not going to say.
Speaker A:Oh, you know, this guy doesn't have a traditional institutional pedigree.
Speaker A:He's out.
Speaker A:But if you're.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker A:Perfect.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:So we got.
Speaker A:Got it here.
Speaker A:Let's look at Dan's LinkedIn.
Speaker A:He's got a picture of his Lamborghini at the top of it again.
Speaker A:Okay, great.
Speaker A:Now scroll down to the bottom of it here.
Speaker A:Let's see what he's got.
Speaker A:Here, go all the way down to his experience.
Speaker A:So CEO of Exitus PCs or Exit, I don't know.
Speaker A:Co founder of Ugly Unicorn.
Speaker A:Full time.
Speaker A:He's been there for three years and 10 months.
Speaker A:He's been a PC laptops chief executive officer, CEO, AMD Gaming Advisory Council, Intel Board of Advisors, Intel Corporation.
Speaker A:Show all eight experiences Perfect Partner Advisory Council, Microsoft Computer Sales Manager at Silo.
Speaker A:So to me, this sounds like a guy who got into entrepreneurship in the early 90s in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Speaker A:For 30 something years he ran a PC laptops computer business and now he's into cryptocurrency, hedge fund funding.
Speaker A:Cryptocurrency is what he puts down here for ugly unicorn.
Speaker A:Had he have just stayed in the computer space.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker A:In the peripheral space, I could have been like, you know what, I don't see anything wrong here.
Speaker B:So the person probably submitted this person's name because they, they want to know if I, they can trust him and go into this ugly unicorn space and where they could teach him, you know, crypto strategies.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:So go down to, go down to the bottom here.
Speaker A:Go back to the previous page and then go to the bottom.
Speaker A:So this is all of his experience.
Speaker A:I want to see what his education is.
Speaker A:Stanford University Graduate School of Business Executive Program, University of Utah, Salt Lake City Community College.
Speaker A:So he went to community college.
Speaker A:I did too.
Speaker A:No, no, no respect there.
Speaker A:Went to Utah.
Speaker A:Okay, great.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:So look, I think he's got a decent pedigree.
Speaker A:Do I think he's got an investment background?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Do I think he's a guy in tech who likes cryptocurrency and got into it?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Does that mean he knows everything about funds?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:And if you scroll up to the fund, go to the top there, the ugly.
Speaker A:Then go back down, Go back down a little bit.
Speaker A:CEO of Exitus PC.
Speaker A:So this new PC company.
Speaker A:14 years, three months.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:He's got enough time there.
Speaker A:Co Founder, Ugly Unicorn Full time.
Speaker A:Three years and ten months in crypto funds.
Speaker A:Well, the last three years in crypto have been nothing but a whirlwind upward.
Speaker B:Right, Exactly.
Speaker B:So I guess this begs the question if, if it was someone that in your inner circle that didn't know who to go to and they, they actually wanted to go to someone that could help them learn some, you know, how to invest in crypto or some whatever other type of strategy, like where would you recommend people go if you want.
Speaker A:To learn to invest in cryptocurrency?
Speaker A:You can go to YouTube.
Speaker A:There's tons of videos out there from professionals and non professionals alike.
Speaker A:Investing in crypto is no different than investing in anything else.
Speaker A:You have to learn how to invest.
Speaker A:Go get a CFP certified Financial Planning designation.
Speaker A:Those are not hard to get.
Speaker A:They're pretty.
Speaker A:Let's just say they're not.
Speaker A:Amongst the hardest things to get a CFA would be significantly more difficult.
Speaker A:But learn the basics of investing, which start with basic economic courses you can take for very little money at a community college.
Speaker A:If you want a classroom setting, if you want a traditional YouTube setting, there are plenty of pages like the Higher Standard, which will give you the basic fundamental kind of educational information on how to invest.
Speaker B:And I think that for most people that have been seeing, you know, know what's been going on in the market in the last five years, they want to just be able to put their money into something and let somebody else manage it and grow it and they want to fund, they want to.
Speaker B:10 exit versus that's not.
Speaker A:That's not the real world.
Speaker B:That's not the real world.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:And the fund here, here's the other problem is he's running a fund.
Speaker A:But you have institutional large companies that now have funds in crypto.
Speaker A:You don't need this guy's unique, ugly unicorn.
Speaker A:And you would a great name, by the way.
Speaker B:And you would much rather probably go with those large institutions because they have the data to helps support their positions and the infrastructure.
Speaker A:Those funds are less likely to go away and disappear quietly into the night.
Speaker A:And if they do, you have something else to sue because they have parent companies and whatnot.
Speaker A:Although there's some corporations in there.
Speaker A:So if you're going to this guy for computer advice, great.
Speaker A:If you're going to him for a crypto fund, I would say he seems to have untested experience and there isn't a whole lot here from a biography standpoint that immediately jumps out to me as where I should put.
Speaker B:We welcome Dan Young to actually come on the show though.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm sure he knows a lot about the space if he's prepared.
Speaker A:Professional pedigree is one that can keep a PC company working for as long as he did.
Speaker A:Then, you know, maybe there's more to it, but I don't see anything here that that jumps out at me as somebody I want to learn investing in cryptocurrency from.
Speaker A:But maybe there's more, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, so that's fair.
Speaker A:Let's go to the next one who's next in the list.
Speaker B:But my friend next on the list is Chris Crone.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:We'Ve covered him once or twice on the show.
Speaker B:I think the, the listener that probably this ain't it.
Speaker A:That's not him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Kris Krohn is spelled with K K R I S. Yeah, Krone.
Speaker A:And it's kr.
Speaker A:There he is, bottom left.
Speaker B:There, the picture right here.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:That is Kris Krohn.
Speaker A:He is a best selling author, speaker, breakthrough mentor and real estate guru, self proclaimed who helps people get on the path of wealth through real estate investing.
Speaker A:Chris is an expert wealth coach with his great greatest expertise found in real estate.
Speaker A:He's 46 years old.
Speaker A:He came to prominence on social media by making very outlandish claims of wealth.
Speaker A:He also has some legal, I think fraud related charges.
Speaker A:I think historically I'd have to go back and look at the case so don't quote me on that.
Speaker A:But there were certainly some things there.
Speaker A:He has done things from talk about bodybuilding in extremes and made some really just crazy claims all across the map.
Speaker A:He tried to get in front of this.
Speaker A:He was working with a social media company that Grant Cardone uses for a while to, to help push his content and then he thought it'd be a good idea because so many people were reacting adversely to the claims that he was making on social media to put out a day in the life like vlog and it could not have been cataclysmically worse than it was.
Speaker A:It just took his seemingly douchey personality, or at least this inauthentic personality is probably the best way to put it that people already did not resonate with and then put it on center stage with a more grand production as opposed to humanize him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he went to his office and the people who worked for him all co signed him and said he was a great guy.
Speaker A:And I don't know that it really had an effect.
Speaker A:I did watch the whole thing.
Speaker A:I did give it a shot.
Speaker A:Ryan Magin I believe was the guy a social media guy who viral edits I think is the guy's name's company, this Cardone's and his.
Speaker B:What is he?
Speaker B:He's selling, he's selling a course.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So go to his Chris Cohen Instagram page there, the second link.
Speaker A:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker A:He, he, he pitches this.
Speaker A:My journey didn't start with wealth.
Speaker A:It started with a choice.
Speaker A:And any it the first time I saw him is that he told everybody you could buy real estate with little to no money down.
Speaker A:Sure there are limited circumstances with which that that can be successful for you.
Speaker A:But I Think that, that, that's disingenuous in today's market.
Speaker A:In a market where home affordability is at its lowest in all time history, where you're telling people stuff like that to get their hopes and dreams up, means that you're selling them on the hope and dream of being able to buy real estate for little to no money down.
Speaker A:His highlights, of course.
Speaker A:Game plan, books, money, Q and A.
Speaker A:Real estate, personal.
Speaker A:I don't even know what that is.
Speaker A:Gratitude.
Speaker A:And then relationships.
Speaker A:And the sad part is I know a lot of people, as you've probably seen up here, that.
Speaker A:Follow him.
Speaker A:644,000 followers.
Speaker A:Creating financial freedom with real estate.
Speaker A:Except guys like me who've been in the business for a long time, who've underwritten every large player.
Speaker A:We are the second largest lender at one point in time in the state of California, next to JP Morgan Chase.
Speaker A:And everybody who had a significant net worth came through our shop at some point in time.
Speaker A:That's not me bragging.
Speaker A:It wasn't me.
Speaker A:It was a very big team, and I was one of those members of the team.
Speaker A:But if I have not seen meaningful financials from you, the odds are that you are not as successful as you purport to be.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And let me tell you from what limited experience that I have in this space, people that know as much as this guy does, they're not offering to sell it and give it away to him.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're, they're too busy either trying to get the next deal for themselves.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:They're not out here just going to.
Speaker B:Because now they're creating competition for themselves.
Speaker B:Why would that make any sense?
Speaker A:And even if you did it from a righteous place where you want to bring somebody on board, the problem with the selling the course is, and I'll give you an idea, I don't own anywhere near as many units as this guy claims to own, but I own a good amount of mm.
Speaker A:Today I had my property manager calling me.
Speaker A:We have a $6,000.
Speaker A:So one of my tenants moved out.
Speaker A:It's Gonna cost about $6,000 to get it rent ready again.
Speaker A:This is a gated community.
Speaker A:It's beautiful home.
Speaker A:It's on a lake, it's in the Midwest.
Speaker A:And you know, I'm gonna have to spend that money.
Speaker A:But we're going through different bids and estimates and I'm trying to figure out what's going to work.
Speaker A:And my, you know, my property manager is handling a lot of it, but I have to make decisions.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:You know, and then, then it's okay, how long am I going to carry this rent?
Speaker A:And you know, what am I going to do to get released?
Speaker A:And I'm starting to think of all these other things.
Speaker A:This is just one property of a portfolio, many.
Speaker B:So when you have a portfolio as many as you do, we don't have to get into how many you own.
Speaker B:But is it, are these type of meetings with your property manager ad hoc or are they scheduled or what is.
Speaker A:It like if you do a good job and you have good tenants?
Speaker A:You don't have tenants move out very often.
Speaker A:This tenant was there, I think she was.
Speaker A:Her and her family were there for three, three, four years.
Speaker A:It's pretty common for me to have long term tenancy.
Speaker A:I typically rent out a year and I offer discounts for greater than that.
Speaker A:Do I. I think they happen for me, given the amount of units that I have, probably three or four times a year.
Speaker A:But that's not hyper expensive stuff either.
Speaker A:6,000.
Speaker A:This one is probably a little more expensive than most for them.
Speaker A: And I typically keep about: Speaker A:But I'm gonna get a new security deposit when somebody comes in, so it'll kind of bridge the difference there.
Speaker A:But look, I, I look at this stuff and I think to myself, like, okay, look, this takes a lot of time.
Speaker A:I also run a business which takes a lot of time.
Speaker A:The podcast is a business, takes a lot of time.
Speaker A:Okay, if you wanted to run a community.
Speaker A:And I, I just looked at somebody else's community.
Speaker A:It's actually, it's Jake and Logan, Paul's guy, the editor who does his show.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I joined his community and he, full disclosure, he gave to me, free to join.
Speaker A:And I, the first thing I said to him, I said, dude, you have great production value on your podcast.
Speaker A:Where's the production value in your community?
Speaker A:Because he just got started.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:And we went back and forth and had a conversation and he's like, I don't have time to put the amount of energy that I put into the show into this.
Speaker A:And that makes sense.
Speaker A:What pays the bills is the show, right?
Speaker A:The community is a side project for you which you hope will build some more money and as it builds, you'll put more money into it.
Speaker A:But then you get to this inflection point where you have to decide which one of the two is going to get more of your time.
Speaker A:In this gentleman's case, it's pretty obvious that social media has garnered more of his time.
Speaker A:And sure you can say Chris, well, he's going to pay content creators, he's going to spend some time.
Speaker A:If you're taking a day out of your schedule to produce content once a week, okay, that's a meaningful amount.
Speaker A:That's 20% of your week.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That in and of itself tells me you can afford.
Speaker A:I could not just with the business that I have, I could not take a sold day and do all social media one day.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I cannot, I do not have that kind of time.
Speaker A:And my business is not as big as this man's purports to be.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:There's a whole history of things, litany things I can get into here.
Speaker A:If you click on one of the videos, look, look at that.
Speaker A:Top left there, top left picture.
Speaker A:I took a leap most people are too scared to take.
Speaker A:Here's what happened.
Speaker A:Scroll to the next picture.
Speaker A:The little arrow on the right there.
Speaker A:No, sorry.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Go back to the first one.
Speaker A:First picture.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:This, this, There you go.
Speaker B:Yeah, right there.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Married at a young age.
Speaker A:I was on track for a life.
Speaker A:Playing it say 40 years of hard work, low freedom and retirement that might be comfortable.
Speaker A:So what he's doing is he's setting up a narrative to be like most of the people he preys upon for this course.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Look, I was just like you.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Click the next one.
Speaker A:Here I saw the truth.
Speaker A:Most people grind their whole lives to hope they have enough for retirement.
Speaker A:That wasn't going to be me.
Speaker A:That's when I found real estate and made my first deal.
Speaker A:Now he's opened himself up.
Speaker A:Now he appeals to everybody in America for the most part.
Speaker B:You can find your first deal too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The overwhelming majority of people now fit the demographic that he's described.
Speaker A:Click the next.
Speaker A:Even after buying my first property, I still didn't have enough to invest.
Speaker A:But I had the drive to make it happen.
Speaker A:My father in law saw that me saw that in me.
Speaker A:And he became my first partner in real estate.
Speaker A:Hey, guess what guys?
Speaker A:You two can tap your family to partner with you for money.
Speaker A:And he has given that advice to help you get your first deal started.
Speaker B:Look, like I remember there was a time back in the day when I was in college and I was, I was in desperate need for a job.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And you go on, you go online, you're looking for jobs and the first job that one of the first job applications I filled out was one of those life insurance policies, right?
Speaker B:And you can you get excited.
Speaker B:I got an interview.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:And next thing you know, they're.
Speaker B:The first thing they're telling you during the interview is tap into your family.
Speaker B:Tap into your family and friends.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And that's how you, that's how you make money.
Speaker B:And they're.
Speaker B:They want you to lean on your leads.
Speaker A:Very common or warm leads.
Speaker A:Multi level marketing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:They hire you because of your relationships you're willing to tap into for them.
Speaker B:Yep, exactly.
Speaker A:Go to the next one.
Speaker A:My drive to build wealth was never about money.
Speaker A:It was about my family.
Speaker A:Then why are you selling a course?
Speaker A:Start there.
Speaker A:It gave me the freedom to be present, to lead by example, and to instill powerful values that truly matter.
Speaker A:So now, trust me, I'm ethical.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Here's a picture of myself and my family.
Speaker A:Go to the next page.
Speaker A:Wealth means nothing if you're not using it to change lives.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:One of my missions is to empower people to break free from limitations and to build a future they never thought possible.
Speaker A:Again, all about empowering you, giving you the things you want.
Speaker B:This is so cringe.
Speaker A:Never mentioning a fee.
Speaker A:From day one, my wife has been my rock, my greatest support.
Speaker A:They find that people who are in married, traditional, monogamous relationships are more trustworthy.
Speaker A:This is just salesmanship, one on one.
Speaker A:Which is why they always tell you that salesmen that are married typically sell better because they have the image of having a family and other responsibilities.
Speaker A:People feel more guilty to spend and they spend money with them.
Speaker A:All right, she's seen the best in me.
Speaker A:Even if when I doubted myself, she stood by me when I had nothing, encouraged me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:Every success, every breakthrough, every moment, I owe so much of it to her unwavering love and belief in me.
Speaker A:By the way, the dashes in between the text here that are the longer dashes of the short ones are classic chatgpt bingo.
Speaker A:Go to the.
Speaker A:Go to the next page.
Speaker A:I believe in pushing boundaries, challenging the status quo and providing the time that the impossible is just an excuse.
Speaker A:I don't back down when things get hard.
Speaker A:Another full length dash.
Speaker A:I double down.
Speaker A:I lead with passion, I serve with purpose and show up every day to grow, give, and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:You can see that he's starting to build in the religious aspect here, which is also another classic sales technique.
Speaker A:And there you go.
Speaker A:Shows a picture of him wearing a very cringe necklace with the stage mic on, looking off into the distance and wearing a very, very poor choice of outfit.
Speaker B:I was actually having a conversation with a family member this past weekend and we were talking about you know, poor financial decisions we had made in the past.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And his story that came up was he remembers the time when he was in college, he was up late one night and there was a commercial for the teach you how to invest in real estate.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Seems like there's a common theme here.
Speaker B:People know that the answer, one of the, one of the answers to get rich and to be wealthy or to live comfortably is through real estate.
Speaker B:But people are being sold that we can teach you.
Speaker B:He gets on the phone and he gives them a call, right?
Speaker B:First thing everyone should know, and this, this isn't a secret, right?
Speaker B:But for some people, they need to hear this.
Speaker B:One thing that's in common with every scam, right, is there's going to be an urgency for the money up front.
Speaker B:And he said by the end of that call, they made him feel like, you better sign up before this seat is given, is given away to somebody else.
Speaker A:That's the urgency tactic in the, the, hey, you're not willing to invest in your future.
Speaker A:You're not willing to put out your money on a credit card because you're not confident that you're going to make the money back, right?
Speaker A:There's, there's all sorts of ways to.
Speaker B:Yeah, you got to believe in yourself.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:If you're not making $100,000 a year, we've all heard this bullshit.
Speaker A:You need to invest in your education because that's where it starts.
Speaker B:We'll tell you everything that you need to do.
Speaker B:It's just, it'll be up to you to get it done.
Speaker A:And why doesn't anybody ever say, you know what, dude, if you're not making $100,000 a year and you feel like you want to make more, go to a community college, get some certificates that are in a field that you think you can succeed at.
Speaker A:Why does it take my course that gives you nothing material to fall back on?
Speaker A:At least you go to a community college, you can get some credits towards something that you want to get like a degree in or something like that later on, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Or hey, how about this?
Speaker A:How about there's a thousand and one real estate schools online that are hyper competitive with one another because there's so many of them.
Speaker A:You can go get a real estate license, become a realtor, watch YouTube videos, go work for a real estate firm.
Speaker A:You know, you can do all these things that, that are.
Speaker A:And again, it just blows my mind that, that we are so self motivated as a society that we're willing to prey on one another, on their hopes and dreams by this.
Speaker A:And this is the part of the reason why this podcast exists is to give it away for free.
Speaker A:But the sad part is the part that pisses me off to no end is a guy who was illegitimate, like Kris Krohn.
Speaker A:And I'm saying that now gets more attention than this podcast does because he's selling the sensational.
Speaker A:And we're telling the truth.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:And people.
Speaker B:People will buy into a pipe dream.
Speaker B:People will pay for a pipe dream.
Speaker A:Let's go to the next thing.
Speaker A:That's the next thing.
Speaker B:Next guy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Hey, but, Chris, we welcome you on the show.
Speaker B:You can sit right here while we grill you.
Speaker A:You can sit on my lap, Chris Chrome.
Speaker B:Okay, so it looks like the.
Speaker B:The next one is someone named King Azul.
Speaker B:Nice name.
Speaker A:Holy.
Speaker B:King Aul.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, so King Auli, you go to Instagram.
Speaker A:Yeah, he.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker A:Try some music.
Speaker B:Down, down, down, down, down.
Speaker B:Right there.
Speaker A:Uh, so Ben Azuli, AKA King Azuli, made the rounds on the Internet.
Speaker A:I first saw him on other people's Instagram pages because other people were making fun of him.
Speaker A:There's another one that looks just like him that I always get mixed up.
Speaker A:It's actually the two guys there, but not.
Speaker A:Don't need to click on it.
Speaker A:These guys are ass clowns.
Speaker A:I've got nothing positive to say.
Speaker A:They sell an alpha motivation.
Speaker A:I don't care what religion you are, what ethnicity you are.
Speaker A:I don't care what your background is.
Speaker A:If you feel the need to emasculate others and to intimidate them with narcissistic, roid rage bullshit.
Speaker A:It's unbelievable to me.
Speaker A:And I see some of the comments and I look at it, I think to myself, like, you're not a man if you're not over £200 and you don't do this, this, and this.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna talk down to you, and I'm gonna, you know, put.
Speaker A:I'm gonna make you feel uncomfortable.
Speaker A:And because you feel uncomfortable because you're not a man, it's like.
Speaker A:No, no, stop it.
Speaker A:Okay, first of all, I'm 6, 5, 2, 20.
Speaker A:I'm probably bigger than most of you, okay?
Speaker A:And just because you walk around with your shirt off all the time thinking that you're jacked doesn't mean that other people with fat faces like myself aren't secretly built.
Speaker A:That being said, it's disgusting to me that.
Speaker A:Again, testimonials, lessons, and lifestyle in the highlights.
Speaker A:These are classic themes.
Speaker A:You're Going to see, if you scroll down the page here, you see pictures of him in Rolls Royce.
Speaker A:You see pictures of him weightlifting heavy weights, him flexing.
Speaker A:One in front of a Porsche, one smoking a cigar.
Speaker B:Kim took a shot across the bow at Andy Frisella, too.
Speaker A:Did he really?
Speaker B:It says, it says go up to the top.
Speaker B:All the way up to the top to his bio.
Speaker B:This is no kale, no CrossFit, no 75 hard.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's a pretty dumb ass move.
Speaker B:Come on, guy.
Speaker A:First of all, Andy Frisella is a monster.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:As far as like, size goes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He and he live, he's.
Speaker B:He lives that lifestyle.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he started an entire movement with more followers than just your followers.
Speaker A:536k followers.
Speaker A:2.
Speaker A:He's following 2.
Speaker A:And this man has had so much.
Speaker A:The Internet went ablaze.
Speaker A:And this is again, this is the part that blows me away.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And shame on all of you.
Speaker A:All of you listening to the show.
Speaker A:I, I am disgusted with you people.
Speaker B:Whoa.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Some of which are my friends.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:You see somebody like this who is a clown.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you follow him because you want to see more clown behavior.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:They get entertained by it.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I know what you're trying to do.
Speaker A:I, I understand why.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But shame on you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:What are you doing?
Speaker A:You're empowering an asshat like this to continue being an asshat.
Speaker A:And you're completely ignoring the fact that there are victims of this nonsense.
Speaker A:And you go, well, if they didn't know better and they bought the course K. People like you, follow them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Give them clout by giving them views, comments, even the bad comments.
Speaker B:Giving them, giving them a platform.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is a problem with.
Speaker B:You got a lot of people in today's day and age like, like this guy that are going after the disenfranchised young male.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And they're easy to go after because, you know, they're right.
Speaker B:I guess they, they, they need something that.
Speaker B:We're all tribal.
Speaker B:We've talked about this before.
Speaker A:Humans are very tribal.
Speaker B:And if you, and if you're a kid that's not into sports and let's just say you, you don't have a mentor.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And you're just, you're just searching for something that resonates with you, that this person gets me.
Speaker B:This is exactly the kind of person I want to be.
Speaker B:Well, you know, you're gonna, you're gonna fall for it.
Speaker B:You're gonna fall for this gimmick.
Speaker B:And it's people that Follow him are contributing to the problem.
Speaker A:And here's the crazy part to me, the part that blows me away.
Speaker A:Very rarely are these guys over 40.
Speaker A:There's another kid, Vincent Fisher, who's 22, who owns a Lamborghini hypercar, which is very rare.
Speaker A:It's like a 2.5 or 3 million dollar car.
Speaker A:And he's on the Internet constantly doing this, like, alpha.
Speaker A:And he seems like.
Speaker A:Like, this guy seems like a.
Speaker A:But Vincent seems like a smart kid.
Speaker A:And look, you know, maybe Izuli convinced me otherwise, but, you know, but it's the whole thing discussed.
Speaker B:I'll be honest.
Speaker B:I've actually.
Speaker B:I've seen this guy's real.
Speaker B:I've never actually listened to a single thing.
Speaker A:Good, good.
Speaker A:Yeah, but that's.
Speaker A:Here's the problem people miss too, like, the Vincent Fisher guy, like, plays into it.
Speaker A:You can tell he's playing a character.
Speaker A:This guy, actually, I think, believes it, number one.
Speaker A:But here's the problem.
Speaker A:Negative comments in positive comments don't have a differentiation in the algorithm.
Speaker A:And Instagram is pushed very hard, not by views, but by comments and shares.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So if you're sharing going, look at this idiot.
Speaker A:Look at this clown, or look at this person.
Speaker B:Right, right, right.
Speaker A:The algorithm goes.
Speaker A:It's getting shared, it's getting comments.
Speaker A:Good, bad, or ugly.
Speaker A:So you see a lot of this extremism.
Speaker B:Instagram doesn't care, bro.
Speaker B:They just want the engagement.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:So a lot of these guys.
Speaker A:This guy's got 536,000 followers.
Speaker A:I guarantee you half those are fake, but half of them are probably real.
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker A:Because people have shared and commented, good and bad, and it.
Speaker A:It blows their accounts up.
Speaker A:If you're willing to say polarizing, extremist things, this is what happens.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Shame on you.
Speaker A:Shame, shame, shame on you all.
Speaker B:And people can fake testimonials all day.
Speaker A:Oh, dude, I'm baby Jesus.
Speaker A:According to my testimonials.
Speaker B:No, but I'm saying, like, you can literally buy fake testimonials online.
Speaker A:Kevin from Cyprus actually saw me walk on water.
Speaker B:Yeah, you did.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:On top of water.
Speaker A:Is it Cyprus the city?
Speaker A:Is it Cyprus the country?
Speaker A:You don't know?
Speaker B:You don't know.
Speaker B:Was it over a puddle?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Next.
Speaker A:What's the next name on the list?
Speaker B:Next one is Mike Fideli.
Speaker A:I don't know who this is, but the photo is.
Speaker B:I'll be honest.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:I. I've seen this video before.
Speaker A:I've seen that video too.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:It was like one of those promoted ones, I think.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Holy.
Speaker B:I'm starting.
Speaker B:I'm starting to recognize a pattern here from the listeners.
Speaker A:I've never seen.
Speaker B:The listeners are.
Speaker B:The listeners are submitt names that they know are comical.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker B:I would hope.
Speaker B:I would hope our listeners aren't falling for this.
Speaker A:Okay, we got to tell people we're listening on the.
Speaker A:On the road.
Speaker A:Jesus Christ.
Speaker A:All right, go back to the main profile.
Speaker B:What we got $2.2 billion saved in taxes and IRS debt.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker B:He's an alpha male.
Speaker A:Christopher, self proclaimed Christopher.
Speaker B:He's an alpha male, so be.
Speaker B:Be careful.
Speaker A:Income tax strategist Ryan Magin, who is Cardone's guy.
Speaker A:Who, first of all, Ryan.
Speaker A:Maggie, I shouldn't say.
Speaker A:I'm saying this like negatively.
Speaker A:Ryan is.
Speaker A:Has the.
Speaker A:One of the most viral franchises on the Internet as far as knowing what content we're teaching.
Speaker B:He was the one that.
Speaker B:That, that came up.
Speaker A:Captions.
Speaker B:Captions.
Speaker B:Yeah, all the captions you see on everyone's videos that all came from Ryan.
Speaker A:Yeah, Ryan follows him.
Speaker B:The highlighted like neon green, neon yellow.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And that was all him.
Speaker A:He is the arch type for that.
Speaker A:So Jesus, this guy is wearing gold chains, flexing with his shirt off.
Speaker A:Eat sea moss, eats CMOs with real fruit, Highlights question and answer sweat box, my orphanage.
Speaker A:There's so many questions.
Speaker A:And some of these photos are just really, really cringy.
Speaker A:Jesus saved a client 97,000 on two amended federal returns.
Speaker A:His fees 5,000.
Speaker A:ChatGPT cannot do this, but he's doing this response thing, and I've seen this before too, where people post comments which are seemingly negative, and then he responds with a video on his feed.
Speaker A:So this one here.
Speaker A:Why is this guy always hanging in ghetto houses yet claiming he's rich?
Speaker A:Have yet to see him in a nice.
Speaker A:In a nice one.
Speaker A:Why is this guy always hanging in ghetto?
Speaker A:So he did multiple responses to these.
Speaker A:Okay, great.
Speaker A:That comment really bothered him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Geez.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So here's what I would say.
Speaker A:I don't think anything I'm seeing here tells me that he's unethical or criminal.
Speaker A:But this is a person who seems to have behaviors that I don't feel are reflective of somebody that I want to work with professionally.
Speaker A:Now, he may or may not have a more professional candor.
Speaker A:And here's the problem where you get.
Speaker A:And I recognize this is social media.
Speaker A:He could very well run this orphanage.
Speaker A:He could very well have a lot of things.
Speaker A:But when you start flexing the things that you have in asking for the Internet to acknowledge.
Speaker A:And here he is on a boat with girls in bikinis.
Speaker B:Is he a tax attorney?
Speaker B:Like I don't understand.
Speaker A:He does something in tax structure here.
Speaker A:And that's the other part of the problem.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:If I'm looking at his profile and I can't tell what it is that you do, there is an underlying problem there because you're selling me in the lifestyle, not on what it is that you offer.
Speaker A:There's plenty of really well educated CPAs and attorneys who like who will just tell you straight up law and you go, oh, this person an attorney because they're going over legal stuff.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Or it's oh, this person's a taxman.
Speaker A:They're going over taxes.
Speaker B:So then there.
Speaker B:But there is, there is a limit to this.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:I mean look, we are a financial literacy podcast and we don't dress like our.
Speaker B:Your everyday, you know, other financial literacy podcasts.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I would say we're not dressed in a way to impress somebody or give them an impression.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:This guy is literally dressed.
Speaker A:I mean first of all, I don't.
Speaker B:Know, some of the.
Speaker B:This, this feels a little over the top.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's part of Death Row records.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you start to question, okay, is he doing this because he wants the social notoriety because he wants the negative comments to blow up his profile.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or is he doing this because there's a legitimate underlying mental health issue and I mean that in a non negative way.
Speaker A:I'm actually wearing a band today from Equinox.
Speaker A:It was World Mental Health Day the other day.
Speaker A:And I've been thinking a lot about this there.
Speaker A:Social media breeds a level of.
Speaker A:It taps into your innermost insecurities.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It sounds, it looks like he.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's trying to be over the top.
Speaker B:Flashy but with the, with a, a little twist of the.
Speaker B:Dan, was it was his name Dan Bazerian?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I would say he's got like the young girls around him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Scroll up to the top.
Speaker A:And then he wants to talk about the IRS and filing tax returns.
Speaker A:So I've always been of the night.
Speaker A:So let's go to go to his link.
Speaker A:Federal associates.
Speaker A:Contact us.
Speaker A:What is this, what is this website here, Mike?
Speaker A:Fidel.
Speaker B:Fidel.
Speaker A:The website looks professional enough.
Speaker B:Building effective tax strategies and planning.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Income tax preparation and tax strategy.
Speaker A:So he might be.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:He's a cpa.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:He is a cpa.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cpa.
Speaker A:This looks much better.
Speaker A:I mean other than the picture go to.
Speaker A:Go to about.
Speaker B: So Maybe it's since: Speaker B:So.
Speaker B: S. Fidel has been a CPA since: Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:First, I guess he works for Ernst and Young.
Speaker B:Who else?
Speaker B:Maybe he's got a LinkedIn.
Speaker B:Probably not.
Speaker B:He's probably got his own company now.
Speaker A:It's just the photos and stuff.
Speaker B:I mean, I feel like it's very distracting.
Speaker A:I don't know that I'm seeing anything from professional stand.
Speaker A:Look, look at his LinkedIn.
Speaker A:Let's see if we can find anything else.
Speaker A:LinkedIn.
Speaker A:This is a borderline one.
Speaker A:Like, I look at him and I don't like his social media presence.
Speaker A:I would not work with him solely based on that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:But do I think he's scamming people?
Speaker A:Maybe not.
Speaker B:I mean, but then on the flip side, obviously it's not to this extreme, but we had somebody like Farshot on the show.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Who had his, like he had his website where he was like dj, but.
Speaker A:He was very cognizant of it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:And then the law firm stuff was very professional.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it wasn't.
Speaker B:It wasn't like.
Speaker B:It wasn't like this.
Speaker B:But showing that he's got like a personality to him.
Speaker A:I don't have a problem with people going out and living like a separate life outside of their business life.
Speaker A:Like, I fully respect that.
Speaker A:I think that's totally fine.
Speaker A:But I don't know that posing with your shirt off on social media is ever a good look for somebody who's a cpa.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:If you wanted to give tax advice on social media, you could do that.
Speaker A:Dress like we do.
Speaker A:Like we do.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You don't have to be in a shirtless gym picture.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You don't have to pose with girls in bikinis and their butts facing the camera like that.
Speaker A:That's not going to sell me on your services.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Personally, that's not really how I want my CPA to look.
Speaker B:Even.
Speaker A:Even if.
Speaker A:Even if you did.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:Oh, there you go.
Speaker A:So owner, CFO, 154 connections.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:That's not a good start.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: University of Albany,: Speaker A:1986.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is not a full profile here, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know that there's really anything here that's meaningful to me, but certainly not.
Speaker A:He's clearly not using.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Again, something.
Speaker A:Something's wrong there.
Speaker A:I Wouldn't use him.
Speaker A:But, I mean, if he's a cpa, He's a cpa.
Speaker A:We can go to the path of looking it up, but I don't feel like wasting my time on the show.
Speaker A:Let's go to the next name.
Speaker B:All right, the next one.
Speaker B:It looks like it's a podcast called Fresh and Fit Pod.
Speaker A:Oh, boy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:See, I don't.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:Here's the thing.
Speaker B:These guys have sound bites, okay?
Speaker B:They have sound bites of a lot of things that they say that you'd be like.
Speaker B:I mean, they're not technically wrong here, right?
Speaker B:But then they have other.
Speaker B:Other sound bites where they say some pretty egregious stuff.
Speaker B:You know, I. I know they.
Speaker B:They spe.
Speaker B:They speak down to.
Speaker B:Down to a lot of women, right?
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That's how they gotten.
Speaker B:That's how they got famous.
Speaker B:That's how they got famous.
Speaker B:They got.
Speaker B:They do this, like, these round table talks with, like, a bunch of girls, right?
Speaker A:And they get pretty.
Speaker A:Pretty harsh.
Speaker A:And I. I don't respect that.
Speaker A:Candidly.
Speaker A:I don't think there's a need to do that.
Speaker A:I. I get the.
Speaker B:I don't understand the point.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:Why.
Speaker B:Why do you feel the need to do this?
Speaker A:I get the idea is you're talking about taboo topics that.
Speaker A:That are supposed to be sensational.
Speaker A:So I understand.
Speaker A:Why are they doing it for views and streams, but do I think that.
Speaker A:So look, here's what I would say.
Speaker A:Their podcast is bigger than our other.
Speaker A:Is this the right.
Speaker A:The right one?
Speaker B:This ain't the right one.
Speaker B:This is another one.
Speaker A:That's not.
Speaker A:That's not their podcast.
Speaker B:This isn't them.
Speaker B:There's another one.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's not them.
Speaker A:Because I was going to say the Fresh and Fit podcast has a big.
Speaker A:A lot of followers.
Speaker A:Just go to.
Speaker A:Go to home.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, no, just go to home.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:And just go down to search.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Russian Fit.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's not it.
Speaker A:The second one.
Speaker A:Second one.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker A:That's the clips.
Speaker A:Yeah, that.
Speaker A:Yeah, just go to the clips page.
Speaker B:Go.
Speaker A:The second one.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:So that's the guys.
Speaker B:These are the guys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And look, I think that he's a smart guy.
Speaker A:I don't know his name.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker B:What are they doing there?
Speaker B:Are they trying to, like, now tap into the finance world?
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't understand, because they.
Speaker A:So he does.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I don't remember his name.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The host.
Speaker A:This guy here who does, like, the Campus tours like that.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's aggressive.
Speaker A:He comes off very arrogant.
Speaker A:I think the arrogant sells, but he's not stupid.
Speaker A:He's very intelligent.
Speaker B:But they're tapping into the.
Speaker B:These, These.
Speaker B:The younger demographic, young working male professionals that are trying to promote that hustle culture.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he does.
Speaker A:He does tap into finance, he does tap into money and women.
Speaker A:He does tap into a lot of that.
Speaker A:I think that they're intentionally offensive because, again, the negative comments.
Speaker B:Almost like a branch of Andrew Tate.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And I think that's who he models himself after on some level.
Speaker A:And I think there's a little bit of connectivity there.
Speaker A:Here's the problem.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And this is, I'm going to water it down and distill it down into a very simple concept.
Speaker A:For most people, positivity makes you go, oh, that's sweet.
Speaker A:But it doesn't make you comment.
Speaker A:Outrage pisses you off and you go, fuck that guy.
Speaker A:And you want to comment or.
Speaker B:Yeah, or.
Speaker B:Or against people that are literally on the Internet, don't care and will, like post it or re.
Speaker B:Or share it and even promote it.
Speaker A:But then what happens is that in the comment section, if you go on, everybody else thinks it's cute too.
Speaker A:They're not going to challenge you on it.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker A:But if you post a comment saying, hey, that guy's dumb, I really don't disagree.
Speaker A:I don't agree with it.
Speaker A:Somebody is going to typically challenge you because they believe with the extreme polarity there.
Speaker A:So the negativity continues to build on itself in the comments, and that's how these counts blow up.
Speaker A:Scroll up to the top, Rajil.
Speaker A:So the Fresh and Fit podcast, number one male self improvement podcast, Transform Simps to pimps, Hosts or Fed reacts.
Speaker A:And go to the first one.
Speaker A:Fed reacts.
Speaker A:Myron Gaines, that's his name, that's the main host.
Speaker A:And he's got 134,000 followers live on Rumble.
Speaker A:YouTube, Kick and Party, which spelled with an eye.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:He's a real estate investor, which I've heard that from.
Speaker A:Former HSI special agent.
Speaker A:Click on more business inquiries.
Speaker A:And he's got a manager.
Speaker B:What is this?
Speaker B:So is he going.
Speaker B:Is he doing rest in peace to Charlie Kirk like he's going around to universities?
Speaker A:Yes, he did that.
Speaker B:Questions?
Speaker A:He did that?
Speaker A:Yeah, he was doing that before Charlie Kirk passed.
Speaker A:And he.
Speaker A:He did a lot of the same thing as him, but he did, obviously, with his own.
Speaker A:Charlie Kirk did it from more of a collegial, I would say, cerebral place where he was trying to challenge people from a political perspective.
Speaker A:He's doing it where he's really challenging people more from just a social norms perspective.
Speaker A:There was a little bit of crossover with some of the lifestyle choices, but for the most part, he had a very different demographic.
Speaker A:But, yeah, he did the same thing too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You gotta remember, this is just another person that's going after those disenfranchised young males, clearly.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Turning what he said simps to pimps.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, think about it too.
Speaker B:And it's like these are.
Speaker B:He's going after people that don't have good, like, male role models in their life.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And people that are easily persuade, persuaded.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That that can fall into.
Speaker B:Oh, like, I'll follow this guy.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:And when they.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I know what this feels like because, like, when back in the day, I was one of.
Speaker B:I guess I would say out here amongst all, like, all of us.
Speaker B:I caught on to Casey Neistat super early.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay, I caught it.
Speaker B:I caught on to him super early when he was doing, like, the daily vlogs when he was first starting out, right.
Speaker A:And as something so pure about that.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And as he's blown.
Speaker B:As he's blowing up, I'm getting more excited.
Speaker B:Like, that's my guy.
Speaker B:I chose this guy.
Speaker B:And he's blowing up.
Speaker B:Like, I feel like I'm a part of it, right?
Speaker B:And that's what these guys are going after.
Speaker B:And it's like, okay, if you get them early enough, young enough, they can have, you know, push you to grow and they'll ride with you all the way through because they want to see you succeed.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And that's just.
Speaker A:Well, and think about it too.
Speaker A:If you think about the context of.
Speaker A:So I'm gonna.
Speaker A:I'm gonna get a little tinfoil.
Speaker A:Hatish, I apologize, but I think there's value in this conversation, so bear with me.
Speaker A:A long time ago, there was allegedly a communist Russian slash China idea that they could infiltrate the younger American culture by putting their plants in colleges and create disruption in upcoming younger generations who then become adults.
Speaker A:And there was a long time they were worried that teachers in the United States would become really agents for communism.
Speaker A:Two very communist countries.
Speaker A:And I'm using them as examples of what I'm sure the US Is also doing there.
Speaker A:So I'm not bastardizing any one country, just very good example.
Speaker A:And there's a belief that today, and Joe Rogan and some of the other people are big fans of this concept that we have had a separate war going on quietly in the colleges, which is creating conflict, which is creating a cultural and political dividend, which is making us more and more extreme and making the country weaker.
Speaker A:Not backing the idea, but I'm saying there is something meaningful to that.
Speaker A:Where you're going through the discovery of adulthood during college and during college, for most people, you have an idea of what you want to do.
Speaker A:If you're lucky, you're figuring it out.
Speaker A:If you're normal and you're average, and if you're below that and you're just trying to get by in grades, you're looking for a mental escape.
Speaker A:And all three of those can be molded in different ways.
Speaker A:Now the majority of people fall in that middle tier where they're just trying to figure it out and get through and figure out what they want to be.
Speaker A:It's easy to attach to somebody who figures it out or sounds like they've got it all figured out.
Speaker A:This person's a podcaster, he's got social notoriety, he seems to have money, he's a real estate investor.
Speaker A:He says things with a very strong opinion because he's not worried about ramific ramifications.
Speaker A:That seems like an alpha, like a leader.
Speaker A:Maybe I should follow this person.
Speaker B:You might not even agree with everything that they say, but, but then you'll start to find yourself excuses for them.
Speaker A:This is no different than fraternity life or sorority life, Right.
Speaker A:A lot of people do things for fraternities and sororities that later on they look back and they go, haha, that was kind of wild.
Speaker A:There's time and place for it.
Speaker A:It's called college.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And as much as people go, oh my God, we're brothers for life, sorority, you know, fraternity brothers for life, that generally fades over time.
Speaker A:Well, they're trying to tap into that audience and then carry them with them forward.
Speaker A:To me, a fraternity, a sorority may give you some social grouping together.
Speaker A:You guys come together, you do your thing, but then you also get into the real world adult life.
Speaker A:My fear is that people get attached to these types of concepts either at that age or a little bit older, and it doesn't leave them and they don't grow out of that phase.
Speaker B:Yeah, see, that's, there's a clear difference there, right?
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker B:This community, the fraternity or the sorority, right?
Speaker B:And, and if you like, if adopt this model and you like it, at least you're part of a community, right?
Speaker B:You, you, you have life experiences with this community and hope and hopefully if you ever needed them down the road, if, whether that be Financially, maybe a job.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Referral.
Speaker B:Or maybe it might just be a phone call for your own mental health, somebody that you can tap back into to help you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Who are you going to tap into here that knows you in their community, that really, truly knows you?
Speaker B:So, like, they're different.
Speaker B:It's like they're tapping into all the things that benefit them but that don't benefit you.
Speaker A:It's the same reason why people tap into chat GPT as a social experiment.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're talking to chat GPT asking for.
Speaker A:My brother sent me something a while back, said, this is what ChatGPT says.
Speaker A:I thought to myself, okay, I'm going to put in my own feedback on the same set of circumstances and watch how it gives me a different answer.
Speaker A:And it did.
Speaker A:And I'm like, so you're just looking for confirmation bias, right?
Speaker A:Well, if you're somebody who has ideals that are extreme and you tap into these guys, you're just looking for confirmation bias, right?
Speaker A:It's okay to be a misogynistic prick because this guy's doing it and he's successful.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:No disrespect to Myron Gates.
Speaker B:No, no disrespect.
Speaker A:So illegitimate, my friend, by the way.
Speaker A:Legitimate podcast illegitimate.
Speaker A:Way to get there.
Speaker B:My mind, one little side tangent for this, just because I thought it was absolutely hilarious.
Speaker B:So I made the joke earlier today.
Speaker B:My wife shared in a group chat today.
Speaker B:She made, like, a little invitation to a kid's birthday party, right?
Speaker B:And she sends it out.
Speaker B:She's like, oh, by the way, Chat made this, right?
Speaker B:And then I texted the group chat saying, that chat slowly replacing me.
Speaker B:Like, she's gonna not need me one day because she's got chat all the time.
Speaker B:And then I. I responded to chat, and they go, I'm gonna change your name to Mr.
Speaker B:Steal your girl, okay?
Speaker B:I say this to Chat.
Speaker B:You know what Chat says to me?
Speaker B:Says, ha.
Speaker B:I'll take this as a compliment, though.
Speaker B:Let's be clear.
Speaker B:Mr.
Speaker B:Steal your girl only advises respectfully and drops wisdom, not dms.
Speaker B:This is chat gbt.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then to pour salt on an open wound, you know what it said?
Speaker B:But if I'm getting a rebrand, can I get a theme song, too?
Speaker B:Something like this.
Speaker B:You don't text her.
Speaker B:He teaches her financial literacy.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:They're building profiles on all of us.
Speaker B:Dang, bro.
Speaker B:He's like, hey, not only am I going to replace you, I'm going to teach a girl about financial literacy.
Speaker B:She's not going to need you anymore part.
Speaker A:You can authorize Sora 2.0 to allow you to be an avatar.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Where they get.
Speaker A:They get your voice and your photo, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Combine that with the conversations you're having on Chat GPT and we're all proper.
Speaker B:I think the kids like to say that.
Speaker B:Cooked.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Six, seven, Baby, you're cooked.
Speaker A:I still don't understand it.
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker A:Is that the right usage?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Cooked or cooked.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't.
Speaker A:Dude, I, I fully.
Speaker A:I am so worried for the future with the information that I know the conversations I've had with Chat GPT.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:It knows you.
Speaker A:I know the photos and videos that are out there of the Internet, of us right now.
Speaker B:You need almost multiple profiles.
Speaker A:And we're getting to the point where you could literally replace me.
Speaker A:We can't get a hold of dad.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What would he say if you were here, Chad GPT.
Speaker A:What would daddy say?
Speaker B:Your dad would say this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'll say it like me and it'll be a screenshot of me.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:But I didn't say it.
Speaker B:That's dangerous.
Speaker A:That's not good.
Speaker B:That's not good.
Speaker A:If you, if you're a kid.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're at the point now where you could have your dad's voice cloned, have him call the school and you could talk to the phone and clone your voice.
Speaker A:I'm not going to tell anybody how to do this.
Speaker A:But you can do this with 11 labs, right?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I have done this with my voice.
Speaker A:And you could literally type and press send for a response to.
Speaker A:And you could have a conversation excusing your son from school.
Speaker A:Ferris Bueller's Day day off has nothing on this shit now.
Speaker B:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:Can you imagine?
Speaker B:Feel so sorry for this generation.
Speaker B:It's like, man, I don't.
Speaker A:All new problems.
Speaker B:New problems.
Speaker A:All new problems.
Speaker A:It was bad enough when you thought your kids are watching porn.
Speaker A:Can you imagine?
Speaker A:Now they're creating the porn.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, not only that, but like, who knows?
Speaker A:Like, don't make a real out of this.
Speaker A:This is real.
Speaker B:This is not.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker B:We're not.
Speaker B:We're not making a real out of this.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:It's going to get to the point though, man, where I'm telling you, like, shit's going to get real.
Speaker A:I'm here for it.
Speaker A:I'm living for it.
Speaker A:You're here for it.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:Dude, I. I look welcome in, huh?
Speaker A:The idea of having a phone in our pocket that has access to the Internet is wild.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker A:And we live with it.
Speaker A:We love it.
Speaker A:Yeah, right?
Speaker A:Even my dad loves it.
Speaker A:Mom loves it.
Speaker B:Have the audacity to get upset when it lags for a little too long.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Speed in the audience.
Speaker B:There's that Louis CK bit.
Speaker B:Like it lags for a second, man.
Speaker B:It had to go to space.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It came back.
Speaker B:You can't give it a second.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:I two tetrabyte hard lined in this thing.
Speaker A:Mainline into this.
Speaker A:And I was complaining of the day.
Speaker A:I'm like, why does it take 10 minutes to upload?
Speaker A:It's like a 10, like, gig, like drive.
Speaker B:It used to take like three weeks.
Speaker A:Remember we had Internet here.
Speaker A:We couldn't.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We had to use a wireless hotspot because we couldn't get the wi fi.
Speaker A:I was like, damn, I'm an unappreciative prick.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Let's go to the next name.
Speaker A:Rejeel.
Speaker B:All right, the next Name can turn 80K to 390K.
Speaker B:Name is Delaney William.
Speaker B:He can turn $80,000 into.
Speaker B:That's really specific.
Speaker A:That is in 11 months, 300 plus coach from Meta Netflix, Google, Airbnb, et cetera.
Speaker A:Land your next role in 90 days.
Speaker B:Wait, from.
Speaker B:Oh, he's coached people that work at Net, Meta, Netflix and Google Airbnb.
Speaker B:Land your next role in 90 days.
Speaker A:So he looks 12.
Speaker A:Can we start with that?
Speaker A:Great head of hair, though?
Speaker B:Life coach, huh?
Speaker B:Ooh.
Speaker A:Client results and money with wings in the highlights.
Speaker A:That's always a good sign.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:Weekly wins, interview success, case studies and big opportunities.
Speaker A:Let's scroll down a little bit here.
Speaker A:Not a whole lot.
Speaker A:Stop right there.
Speaker A:Your resumes about section is a waste of space.
Speaker A:The perfect resume format.
Speaker A:How to become an interview ninja.
Speaker A:It's rooted in mindset.
Speaker A:My greatest strength.
Speaker A:Adopt this mindset and take action.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm gonna stop this right here.
Speaker B:You know, this is for man.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I. I know I have younger cousins that, that fall for this kind of trap.
Speaker B:Here's the thing.
Speaker B:The intent that they have, as in the.
Speaker B:The younger cousins, right, Is I want to spend my time and grow.
Speaker B:I want to learn.
Speaker B:But they're not really investing real time and effort into any one thing.
Speaker B:They think that, oh, if I could watch this, it'll help me.
Speaker B:It'll help me adopt a better mindset.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And then I can go out there and attack the world.
Speaker B:But really all it does is just gets you sucked in to watching this stuff more and more and more, and you end up not going anywhere.
Speaker A:Yeah, you See the common theme here with the aesthetics?
Speaker A:So again, this is all stuff that he's filmed on his phone.
Speaker A:This is not well curated, high production value.
Speaker A:And this has become the way that most of these people sell.
Speaker A:There's really only two, two ways to do this.
Speaker A:It's the highly produced content, like, I'm a social creator.
Speaker A:And there's this, which is less obvious.
Speaker A:There's not getting a ton of views.
Speaker A:I mean, it's probably similar to what we get.
Speaker A:So, you know, not knocking on him.
Speaker A:But I have a personal problem with anybody who calls himself a mindset coach.
Speaker A:There is one man who I think can get away with, and that's Tony Robbins.
Speaker A:Okay, maybe David Goggins.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But that being said, everybody else is just copying that model.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And what I would say to most people is unless you've accomplished something meaningful that I know outside of finding your profile, like, I have heard this urban legend of your.
Speaker A:Tony Robbins has been writing books for decades.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Going to corporate events.
Speaker A:I'm not saying he's legitimate or illegitimate.
Speaker A:I met him once.
Speaker A:Big ass hands.
Speaker A:Big ass hands.
Speaker A:Like, massive mix.
Speaker B:It looks like he looks like he's a big head.
Speaker A:He's a big dude.
Speaker B:Like, he's just thick.
Speaker B:Where does he find the baseball cap?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker B:That's special order.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're not.
Speaker A:Who made that for you?
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Why is the L so big in LA Dodgers?
Speaker B:It's so big.
Speaker A:It's so big.
Speaker A:But I, like, I have a problem with all this.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And advice to myself five years ago.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Do me a favor, Regil.
Speaker B:Honestly, though, see, like, somebody, Somebody that, that wants to grow, that feels stuck in their role, right?
Speaker B:They're going to be like, I. I want to watch this.
Speaker A:Jil, this is a LinkedIn search.
Speaker A:Let's go to LinkedIn.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Let's see what we got for him.
Speaker B:You know, with what this makes me think about is like, okay, think about, like, how long ago did the movie Hitch come out?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Like someone like Hitch.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Life coach or a dating coach.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like he, like back then it was fictional character.
Speaker A:Let's just start there.
Speaker B:Fictional character.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But it was like, okay, I. I gotta keep my identity a secret.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's the only way this thing remains successful.
Speaker A:I would agree with that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, this is not.
Speaker B:This is the complete opposite now.
Speaker B:We've, We've.
Speaker B:The pendulum have, has swung the other way and it's like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:I want to show you my Success.
Speaker B:Look how successful I am.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I'm not, I'm not digging it.
Speaker A:I'm gonna go on a limb here and say there is no LinkedIn for this guy.
Speaker B:No, I was.
Speaker B:I was searching.
Speaker B:He has the actual website too.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Let's check the website.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, here's the LinkedIn.
Speaker A:Eleni William.
Speaker A:Helping corporate professionals land their next role and 2 to 3x their remote income with over employment 121 connections.
Speaker A: k plus in corporate in: Speaker A:This is my backup account.
Speaker A:Okay, scroll down here.
Speaker B:Hey, why do you have a backup account?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Why would you have a backup LinkedIn?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Never even heard of that.
Speaker A:He worked for UnitedHealth Group as a Senior Product Manager, Innovative Innovation Program Manager, Technology Driven Development, Junior programmer.
Speaker A:Then went to senior Product manager at the Estee Lauder Companies for one year and six months.
Speaker A:He was previously UnitedHealthcare for five years and two months.
Speaker A:Then he became CEO of Elevated Technologies.
Speaker A:Helping 40 plus corporate professionals implement systems to earn systems to earn 200 to 300K by stacking multiple remote roles.
Speaker A:Oh my fucking God.
Speaker B:Terrible, terrible advice.
Speaker A:Open that up.
Speaker A:Expand that.
Speaker B:First of all, you can, you can, you can get yourself sued doing something like that.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Generate over 590 interviews for clients this year.
Speaker A:$3.6 million in total job offers for our clients and counting.
Speaker A:I gotta see this guy's website.
Speaker A:I'm already disgusted by stacking multiple roles.
Speaker A:This is his website.
Speaker A:He's got a podcast.
Speaker A:Building jobs.
Speaker A:Building a job stacking business.
Speaker A:Today's.
Speaker A:This is not his website.
Speaker A:This is somebody else.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:Stop right here.
Speaker A:Today's guest, Delaney William.
Speaker A:The founder of Elevated Tech, a company that helps people grow their income.
Speaker A:Grow their remote income through job search, automation and career strategy within the framework of the controversial.
Speaker A:Controversial but increasingly relevant concept of job stacking.
Speaker A:Which by the way, is unethical as shit in most cases, unless you are a consultant.
Speaker A:In our conversation, we walked through what it means to build a career and now a company that challenges the norms of corporate loyalty, productivity and compensation.
Speaker A:We had a philosophical discussion on the relationship between companies and employees and on the expectations we set, how we are treated by our employer and what we owe them.
Speaker A:Delaney shared how he scaled his corporate income from 80 to 390k in less than a year, the philosophy and structure behind holding multiple jobs simultaneously, and how he built a seven figure business helping others do the same.
Speaker B:Yeah, my.
Speaker B:I got red flags all over this guy.
Speaker A:Disgusted.
Speaker B:Now let's just say.
Speaker B:Now, let's just say somebody click on.
Speaker A:Elevated tech us while he's doing this.
Speaker A:Go ahead.
Speaker B:Let's just say somebody now.
Speaker B:Let's put ourselves in the position of somebody that would actually go out and hire somebody like him.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:What is it that exactly you think they're looking for?
Speaker A:Easy way out.
Speaker B:Yep, exactly.
Speaker B:Easy way out.
Speaker B:Not doing.
Speaker B:Not doing what it takes to build their own resume.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, stacking jobs, first of all.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Not only is it.
Speaker B:Not only, in my opinion, is it unethical.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because what.
Speaker B:What is he alluding to is doing two or three jobs at the same time.
Speaker A:Well, think about the concept here.
Speaker A:He said he's making 80k and then he grew it to 390k.
Speaker A:That's not two jobs.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:How many jobs are you allegedly working, Chief?
Speaker A:I mean, this is.
Speaker B:Look, could you.
Speaker B:Could you get yourself sued for that?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because the problem is, is if your company is.
Speaker B:I think people need to understand the dangers behind that a little bit more, because a lot of people.
Speaker B:A lot of people think that that's what I'll just do.
Speaker B:That's what I'll do.
Speaker B:But, like, I mean, that you're playing the game of F around and find out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And unfortunately, whether you like it or not, most companies prod this through their HR process.
Speaker A:And you could say, well, it's on the company to discover this.
Speaker A:Or not discover.
Speaker A:That's what I would tell you is.
Speaker A:Is this does not end well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You also sign an employee handbook that says you.
Speaker B:You're not doing it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Look at this.
Speaker A:Jesus, this is disgusting.
Speaker A:And the fact that they're.
Speaker A:And if this is true, just call me crazy.
Speaker A:Why the hell would you allow him to put your Zoom meeting on his website?
Speaker A:As an advocate.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So your company that saw this.
Speaker B:So this girl works for him or something?
Speaker B:Or she.
Speaker B:She keeps, like, repeating.
Speaker A:I'm assuming she's doing the interviews here, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The Chief operating officer added $180,000 in.
Speaker A:In added income.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:If this is what you need to do to create income, just start a business.
Speaker A:Just start a second business.
Speaker B:I mean, Chief operating officer.
Speaker B:I. I don't.
Speaker A:I don't even.
Speaker A:I don't even know what to say.
Speaker A:I'm going to say you should not do this, and let's go on to the next name.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I don't care what his social notoriety is.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's unethical.
Speaker B:Delaney, you're welcome to come on the show.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:All right, so next one up is someone named J.T.
Speaker B:fox.
Speaker A:Ah yeah, no, he's legitimate.
Speaker A:J.T.
Speaker A:fox is a global entrepreneur, investor, author, known for building over 70 companies across 55 countries.
Speaker A:For his work in wealth coaching and deal making.
Speaker A:He's written, I believe, books.
Speaker A:But how do you know him?
Speaker A:I've tried to get him on the show.
Speaker B:Yeah, okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, next time he's in town, he's supposed to come on.
Speaker A:Go to his Instagram page there.
Speaker A:Third link down there.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's, he's in the space.
Speaker A:He does a lot of, a lot of talking on the topics.
Speaker A:Owns six AI businesses.
Speaker A:Businesses War.
Speaker A:Number one book on Amazon.
Speaker A:Let's do business partner.
Speaker A:Is it is the greatest business in the world.
Speaker A:You know, I, it depends on, on what your perspective is.
Speaker A:But does he make a legitimate honest living doing it in an ethical way?
Speaker A:Yeah, he does.
Speaker A:Scroll down.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Stop right there.
Speaker A:This is again great content.
Speaker A:Him doing most of the content himself.
Speaker A:There's some content of him being on, you know, different places.
Speaker A:But you know he's got, he gets paid to do a lot of corporate events.
Speaker A:He does a lot of, of different things.
Speaker A:I've actually talked to him myself.
Speaker A:I find him to be a stand up guy.
Speaker A:I don't see anything issue there.
Speaker A:Now there might be some legal history stuff there I don't know about, but let's see if you can find J.T.
Speaker A:fox's.
Speaker B:How did he get his, his fame?
Speaker B:What Is there a specific company that stands out that he, he grew?
Speaker A:Or see if you can find his LinkedIn if he has one.
Speaker A:I'm sure he does.
Speaker A:If you go to his JT Fox page, he might have one.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:LinkedIn.
Speaker A:No, no good.
Speaker A:Down, down, down.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:J.T.
Speaker A:fox.
Speaker A:So there he is.
Speaker A:Greater Chicago area.
Speaker A:Not a whole lot here.
Speaker A:Owner of JT Fox organization.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean this is not necessarily in and of itself mutually exclusive, but certainly doesn't.
Speaker A:Isn't somebody who uses LinkedIn 13 connections.
Speaker A:There's, there's a lot of people who do not use LinkedIn and I will admit that didn't come from corporate America.
Speaker A:I did, I use LinkedIn.
Speaker B:I mean it was widely viewed as what your, your business card, right?
Speaker B:Your online business card for, for people.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So here you go.
Speaker A:We grow revenue, ours and our clients through AI, M&A and our capital.
Speaker A:The official page of JT Fox.
Speaker A:Scroll down here a little bit.
Speaker A:So JD Fox, global entrepreneur, blah, blah.
Speaker A:After spending decades mastering business and growth, branding and M and A, JT saw a Critical pattern emerging of companies that don't integrate AI and now survive, won't survive what's coming next.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, again, I, I, I've talked to him.
Speaker A:I don't see anything that's a red flag.
Speaker A:What is he selling?
Speaker A:Is he sell cors.
Speaker A:Go to his Instagram page.
Speaker A:Let's listen to this here.
Speaker B:Yeah, it sounds like he's, he's trying to get people to find a way to incorporate AI into their businesses.
Speaker A:Yeah, but look, he's got his book for your kids, but he's not selling anything.
Speaker A:There's no highlights here.
Speaker A:Go to his LinkedIn if there is one there.
Speaker A:JT Fox links.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Click that one.
Speaker A:My new.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Click there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so first fill out this confidential form.
Speaker A:So he's growing his mailing list, right?
Speaker A:He gets free stuff here.
Speaker A:Go scroll down.
Speaker B:My time, my partnership.
Speaker A:Here's what you get.
Speaker A:You get partner with JT Fox in order to get 100% of your deals funded.
Speaker A:Full access JT Fox AI companies and partnership opportunities.
Speaker A:JT's best selling book, Learn with M and A Deal.
Speaker A:So again, he's giving away his free product to get you on his mailing list.
Speaker A:This is pretty common marketing stuff.
Speaker A:Scroll down.
Speaker A:Is there more his bios here?
Speaker A:He's also built personal relationships.
Speaker A:World renowned figures like Andrew Bolli, Bruce Buffer, Jesse Cole and billionaire moguls across the globe.
Speaker A:His network has evolved into.
Speaker A:Scroll down.
Speaker A:Yeah, so again, yeah, you got Steve Wozniak, Vince Vaughn, a couple people talking, Steadman, Graham, talking about him, Al Pacino, seone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, 50 Cent, Bruce Buffer.
Speaker A:He's, he's just been one of those people who's been in this circuit in the Zeitgeist.
Speaker A:You got him shaking hands with Howard Schultz, Tommy Hilfiger, Michael Dell.
Speaker A:I mean, again, okay, yeah.
Speaker A:Does he have like a bunch of stuff that I'm looking at?
Speaker A:No, but does he have enough social notoriety here for me to go?
Speaker A:Okay, I mean, he's got a picture with Oprah Winfrey, he's got a video with him talking to his, her partner, Stedman.
Speaker A:So again, this is somebody who clearly knows people.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So, and he's not selling me anything.
Speaker B:That's, that's the thing.
Speaker B:But that's what I'm curious to know that, what is it exactly that he's trying to sell?
Speaker B:So you, you fill out his form, you get, you become a member and what is it, what is it next?
Speaker A:It might, there might be something there, but I'll tell You right out the gate.
Speaker A:His profile doesn't come off like, hey, I'm selling you the stream.
Speaker B:I would need to, I would need to learn more to figure out what it is it exactly that he's asking for.
Speaker A:Yeah, but that's so you get on.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:That is exactly the way you do this, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm going to give you free content.
Speaker A:Subscribe to my mailing list.
Speaker A:Here's all the free stuff you're going to get.
Speaker A:Here's why you want to subscribe and oh, by the way, if you want to work with me, here's how you do.
Speaker A:So in the future, here's my services.
Speaker A:Alex Hermosi does the exact same thing.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And people can go to thehighstandardpodcast.com and do the same thing.
Speaker B:Hey.
Speaker A:All right, what do we got next?
Speaker B:All right, next one is someone named Dollar cost crypto.
Speaker A:Yeah, I saw the name come up.
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:I never heard it.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker A:Oh, not good.
Speaker A:Co founder of crypto mindset.
Speaker A:Follow my real socials down below all my real socials.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Bundle the Citadel telegram access Crypto mindset course.
Speaker A:Just indulge me.
Speaker A:Click on the crypto mindset course.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What do we got here?
Speaker B:How much you spending?
Speaker A:If you suffer from not knowing how to earn significant returns in your cryptocurrency portfolio, or if you need to know with certainty that you can achieve real gains much sooner if you don't know how to get into crypto investing or which cryptocurrencies to buy.
Speaker A:If you want to know without a doubt that you can become commander of your own future.
Speaker A:Sounds all great, but you don't have Andre's on a topless on speed dial.
Speaker A:Is that his name?
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker A:And you can't afford to hire someone like him, then this message is just for you.
Speaker A:Here's why.
Speaker A:You can now decrypt my crypto brain as we hang out together and plan your next steps in building your self determination roadmap.
Speaker A:And you need to realize there's a cost to not dealing with this.
Speaker B:Is there a way so I'm not in the crypto space?
Speaker B:This is no secret to anybody.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:But is there a way for people to show their crypto wallet almost like to verify like, look, this is how much I got.
Speaker A:You can, but you have to know that those are their crypto wallets and you have to Kind of cross reference.
Speaker B:There's no way.
Speaker B:There's no.
Speaker B:There's no, like, verify, like, blue check mark where you could showcase.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:I mean, crypto wallets are unique identifiers.
Speaker A:Well, it's on the public blockchain, you know, unique identifier.
Speaker A:And they can show you that they have access to that one.
Speaker A:But then there's reasons why you don't want to do that.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So why would anybody believe that this guy has a crypto brain that should be decrypted?
Speaker A:Well, I could easily open up, like, my Metamask account on a live stream or something like that and show you while blurring, you know, some stuff out how much I have in that account and what I'm holding.
Speaker A:Or I could go into, like, my Robinhood account, you can see, like my Ethereum or Bitcoin or something.
Speaker B:This guy knows what he's doing.
Speaker A:Okay, yeah, but what I would say is, is, again, I understand we all want a place to start, but there are plenty of free resources for this, right?
Speaker A:Like, you don't really need a. I mean, institutional.
Speaker A:Big money guys are in this space right now, and they can tell you.
Speaker A:Now if he's talking about other coins outside of your.
Speaker A:Your anchor coins, your.
Speaker A:Your Bitcoin, your Ethereum, stuff like that.
Speaker A:And then you're taking risks on coins that don't really have the same kind of market share that everybody else does.
Speaker A:And we all know what happened in the NFT space.
Speaker B:So all I'm saying is creating a sense of urgency.
Speaker B:If you ignore it, it just gets worse, Chris.
Speaker B:Yeah, and you got to do it now.
Speaker B:Look, you're here.
Speaker A:I know, I know.
Speaker B:And most people can't afford to hire a pro to personally walk them through this.
Speaker B:It sometimes cost them five stuck or worse.
Speaker A:You're left working for the weekend hoping and praying you don't get screwed by Wall street or the Fed.
Speaker B:Jerome Powell screwing these people.
Speaker A:Apparently JP from the hood.
Speaker A:JP out here with his corkscrew putting it to you.
Speaker B:How I can stop you doubting you can win with crypto?
Speaker A:What if we get to.
Speaker A:What if I got together with my friend and business partner?
Speaker A:Dollar cost crypto, and we worked with a small group of.
Speaker A:Of guys.
Speaker A:Oh, Jesus Christ.
Speaker B:How much are we talking here?
Speaker A:How much is this course?
Speaker B:Yeah, I gotta.
Speaker B:I gotta know.
Speaker A:Click to sign up.
Speaker A:I bet.
Speaker A:Click the click to sign up.
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker A:Don't enter your email address.
Speaker A:Just hit the click there.
Speaker A:Yeah, but you can't even do it.
Speaker A:Yeah, sneaky.
Speaker A:Go back Go back again.
Speaker A:Go back to his Instagram page.
Speaker A:I want to see his Instagram page.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So he does his quarterly calls, which, like, I respect that.
Speaker A:I think that's actually a good idea.
Speaker A:He does have.
Speaker B:Why, why would you.
Speaker A:Oh, the fresh and fit boys.
Speaker A:The fresh and fit boys.
Speaker A:Talk to him.
Speaker A:He's on, he's on a number of podcasts.
Speaker A:Smoking a cigar.
Speaker B:I've seen this person before.
Speaker A:You have the guy on top or the guy on the bottom?
Speaker B:The bottom one.
Speaker B:Oh, have you really?
Speaker B:No, that's the guy that has gone all the plastic surgery, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, the guy on top is a plastic surgery guy.
Speaker A:So he, he's done some social content.
Speaker A:Scroll down a little more.
Speaker A:It covers the major celebrity topics because it gets some notoriety, but I don't know that I'm seeing anything here.
Speaker B:Oh, right here.
Speaker B:Crypto mindset.
Speaker A:Yeah, of course.
Speaker A:You have.
Speaker A:Go all the way to the top.
Speaker A:What's his name?
Speaker A:Miguel Munoz, founder, Co founder of Crypto Mindset.
Speaker A:See if you can find a LinkedIn.
Speaker A:Yeah, I doubt it with that name is so common.
Speaker A:148, 000 followers.
Speaker A:I, I'm.
Speaker A:I, you know, like, I, I don't know there's anything that jumps out at me as like super scammy, per se, but certainly I feel like there's other.
Speaker B:People out there that are.
Speaker A:There are people that I prefer to learn from.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker A:Yeah, I, I don't know that, that it would be him, per se.
Speaker B:I'm not, I wouldn't, I'm not trying to learn from someone who's pinning fresh and fit at the top.
Speaker A:That's probably.
Speaker A:It's got 3.9 million views.
Speaker A:That's why, I mean, it's just they probably said some really, you know, caustic shit which gets him there.
Speaker A:I doubt you're gonna find anything on LinkedIn for this guy.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I'm not seeing anything.
Speaker A:Yeah, click on his link.
Speaker A:Tree link at the top in his bio.
Speaker A: : Speaker A:Click on that.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:And let's see, we got here.
Speaker A:Go to.
Speaker A: : Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:So scroll down.
Speaker B:Oh, one on one single.
Speaker B:Less than $2,000.
Speaker A:Just for access to his telegram.
Speaker A:It's a hundred dollars a month.
Speaker A:98 bucks a month.
Speaker A:Okay, so I'm gonna tell you right now, he makes his money doing this.
Speaker A:This is what he makes his money on.
Speaker A:Crypto Crypto is where he puts all the money that he gets from.
Speaker A:From this stuff into that.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I'm.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't know why you would do this.
Speaker A:I legitimately don't.
Speaker A:He's got no reviews.
Speaker A:Scroll up to the top and go to about who the hell is this guy?
Speaker A:I'm the guy who gets.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker B:This is for Cultivate Crypto.
Speaker A:Charlie at Cultivate Crypto is.
Speaker B:I think we.
Speaker A: rrency technology since early: Speaker A:Long tenure Charlie who doesn't provide his last name.
Speaker A:Is that what I'm saying here?
Speaker B:He doesn't need to, man.
Speaker B:There's Madonna, there's Oprah, and there's Charlie.
Speaker A:I'm so confused.
Speaker A:Oh, you're gonna go back to the bottom Prince.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:What the fuck?
Speaker B:Yeah, see, look.
Speaker A:No, this all feels wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The name, the dollar cost.
Speaker A:Crypto links to a different company.
Speaker A:Are they affiliates or.
Speaker A:They have.
Speaker A:They have the same product offerings.
Speaker A:Cultivate Crypto.
Speaker A:Telegram, chat access.
Speaker A:Single lesson.
Speaker A:Go to the single lesson.
Speaker B:Oh, it's the same thing.
Speaker A:It's the same thing.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, right here.
Speaker A:Crypto mindset, course.
Speaker A:Click on that.
Speaker A:No results.
Speaker A:Yeah, this whole thing's just.
Speaker A:No, no, sorry.
Speaker B:Hard pass for me.
Speaker B:For the higher standard, boys.
Speaker B:This is a hard pass.
Speaker A:It's a hard pass.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:Yeah, it just seems you're not.
Speaker A:You're not gonna find any miracles in the bottom of that.
Speaker A:That barrel right there.
Speaker A:Who's the next one on the list?
Speaker B:Yeah, the next one.
Speaker A:Yikes.
Speaker B:That feels.
Speaker B:That feels like a real submission.
Speaker B:Do you think that was a real.
Speaker A:That was a real submission?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Somebody really wanted to buy that course.
Speaker B:The only.
Speaker A:Oh, Jeff Fargo.
Speaker A:Oh, Curtis submitted this?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sneaky bastard.
Speaker A:Well, as a guy who joined the hair club for men, I would say that Jeff is not actually a hairy man.
Speaker B:No, he's not.
Speaker A:Yeah, he is, Harry.
Speaker A:Where it doesn't count.
Speaker A:But no, I love Jeff.
Speaker A:He's a good dude.
Speaker A:Questionable choice and friends.
Speaker A:Sorry, Curtis, Love you very much, but he's doing really good things.
Speaker A:Got his.
Speaker A:His own podcast.
Speaker A:Co host.
Speaker A:Dad.
Speaker A:Podcast co hosts this downrange with one of the girls from the shooting range that he started with marketing stuff.
Speaker A:He's been really growing that platform.
Speaker A:Next name.
Speaker B:All right, next one we got is Shelby Sapp.
Speaker A:Yeah, I've heard this name, but I don't know who the hell that is.
Speaker B:You've heard this name?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not heard this Name number one female sales trainer.
Speaker B:Oh, sales trainer number one largest sales academy for women.
Speaker A:I bet you her website.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Look at it.
Speaker B:Hold on.
Speaker B:Right away.
Speaker B:In group, out group.
Speaker A:Look at the website.
Speaker A:Go to the website.
Speaker A:Yeah, go to the webinar.
Speaker A:I bet you she sells.
Speaker A:Academy is fucking gorgeous looking website for some reason.
Speaker A:Some of the women in this space just have a really good looking website.
Speaker A:Look at that.
Speaker B:This is so much better than she sells.
Speaker A:How to step into high ticket sales with Shelby Sapp breaking down the industry that allows the ladies and I to work from anywhere.
Speaker A:October 21, 8pm Eastern, 5pm Pacific.
Speaker A:You're going to learn all this.
Speaker A:Go down to the bottom.
Speaker A:I'm not a fan of masterclasses.
Speaker A:Just FY.
Speaker A:Are you sick and tired of your 9 to 5 job?
Speaker A:Do you want to learn?
Speaker B:Sounds like me.
Speaker A:And earn a living without a degree or corporate job?
Speaker A:Scroll down.
Speaker B:Take the easy way out.
Speaker A:Want to learn a new skill and be part of a community.
Speaker A:Want to work from anywhere on their terms and not be tired and tied to a desk.
Speaker A:This is not for you.
Speaker A:If you're not looking to, for.
Speaker A:If you're looking for a get rich quick scheme, that's not us.
Speaker A:Well, good for you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So don't expect results right away.
Speaker A:You don't want to put in the work.
Speaker A:Women who don't want to be part of a community, women who aren't ready to invest in themselves.
Speaker B:This is literally in group, out group, bro.
Speaker B:This is crazy.
Speaker A:Women who aren't committed to changing their lives.
Speaker A:Scroll down.
Speaker A:Oh, your host and founder of she sells remote.
Speaker A:Whether you discovered me through Pink Porsche Tick Tocks or my sales tip videos.
Speaker B:How do you feel, how do you feel about coaches like this in general?
Speaker B:So let's not, let's not talk about, let's not talk about Shelby Sapp herself, but let's talk about like, okay, people that want to develop skills in, in sales.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Obviously that at the end of the day, sales is a skill.
Speaker B:It is a skill and it is, it is.
Speaker B:It has a lot to do with your personality too.
Speaker B:I don't think it's something you can just adopt over or, or build over a summer.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I hear you.
Speaker A:Here's what I would say.
Speaker A:Hunting is a skill.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:You can read all about it.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But it ain't the same thing as being out in the field.
Speaker A:And hunting sells the same as hunting.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:You can take a master course.
Speaker A:That's great.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:You can learn, you can read, you can nerd out on it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I'd bet you'd probably get more out of Alex hermosi's audiobook for 30 bucks than you would out of this.
Speaker A:I'm not the biggest Alex Hermosi fan, per se.
Speaker A:I'm just saying that's a resource that's gotten a lot of reviews.
Speaker A:Yeah, he sold $106 million worth of that literally in 72 hours.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:Let me tell you right now, Steph Curry selling a course tomorrow teach you how to shoot a three for $5,000.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:You watch that video over and over and over.
Speaker B:You're not shooting threes like Steph Curry.
Speaker A:And I don't know that I would pay for that.
Speaker B:Okay, you might not pay for that, but also, the only way this works is if you go out and you shoot a ton of threes, okay?
Speaker B:So, yeah, the only way you become better at sales, go get a sales job, and that's what you really want to do.
Speaker B:Get better.
Speaker A:You see Allen Iverson interviewed about this recently about this.
Speaker B:No, I have not.
Speaker A:So guys interviewing him said, hey, can you.
Speaker A:Can you show me a crossover?
Speaker B:Somebody asked him to show him across.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he was sitting across from.
Speaker A:He goes, yeah, go watch my videos.
Speaker A:He goes, no, no, I want you to show me.
Speaker A:Like, would you do that?
Speaker A:And he goes, no.
Speaker A:And he goes, why not?
Speaker A:He's like, nobody wants to see an old, old ass man dribble a basketball.
Speaker A:He's like, you want to see if you.
Speaker A:He's like, but I want you to teach me.
Speaker A:And he goes, go watch my videos.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, that stuff I physically can't do anymore.
Speaker A:And you're asking me to show you stuff I physically can't do.
Speaker B:I literally had to.
Speaker B:Not that exact conversation, but a conversation similar to, like, that with my son.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And we're just talking about basketball because it's all related to the conversation, but he's asking me how to do a certain move, right?
Speaker B:And how come I do.
Speaker B:When I do the move, it doesn't work.
Speaker B:I'm like, because, Adam, you're.
Speaker B:You're doing the move the way I told you.
Speaker B:When there's a feel to it, you have to feel it.
Speaker A:It's you.
Speaker B:You got to be in the moment to understand what's going on.
Speaker B:If I.
Speaker B:If you just go right to left, it's not going to work.
Speaker B:You got to go right just enough to see the.
Speaker B:Them come off their, you know, their balance, and then you go back to your life.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:It's a dance if you will.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:And this is why all of these courses, all these people selling stuff, it's never going to be a replacement for trying and failing.
Speaker A:And to me, the part that pisses me off to no end is all these people are selling you the fakeness of a fake try.
Speaker A:You didn't really try when you bought a course.
Speaker A:Yes, you try when you implement what the course is saying.
Speaker A:And sadly, most of the trying you're gonna put in, in your effort, you're gonna get the same dopamine hit paying for the course that you would have got had you actually tried.
Speaker A:But you would have learned more from your failure than you would have learned from a course.
Speaker A:Let's be honest.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker A:A lot of us went to college in high school, and we went and took classes.
Speaker A:There's a lot of.
Speaker A:You forgot.
Speaker A:There's very few lessons you remember, but I bet you remember when you failed miserably at something because that lessons burned into your soul.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:That's the way you remember things.
Speaker A:And a lot of entrepreneurs will tell you, I have failed way more times.
Speaker A:I'm a great example.
Speaker A:I have failed so many goddamn things.
Speaker A:Websites, Macromedia, Flash back in the day and.
Speaker A:And fashion and all sorts of that I was into.
Speaker A:I failed and failed and failed.
Speaker A:And today I still continue to fail.
Speaker A:Arguably.
Speaker A:You could argue, you could argue this podcast in some ways was a failure.
Speaker A:I mean, launch.
Speaker B:No, we've gotten better.
Speaker A:It pursued and pushed through.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Relative to our ultimate expectations.
Speaker B:But dude, this podcast has come a long way.
Speaker A:I understand that, but it's come a long way because those failures.
Speaker A:What was that, Jill?
Speaker B:Oh, you're welcome.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, thank you.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's go up to the click on the she Sells logo on the top left of the logo.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:The problem is the other problem is this too, like, one bit of advice that we've given to young professionals on this show.
Speaker B:Like, I think people have come to us before and said, like, look, I have a thousand dollars, I have $5,000.
Speaker B:I want to invest it.
Speaker B:What should I do?
Speaker B:And they're young, right?
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:We have been known to have said this in the past.
Speaker B:Depending on where you're at in your career, invest in yourself too.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Maybe the best investment right now is not a stock.
Speaker B:A stock buy, right.
Speaker B:Maybe it's you continuing to grow your own skills.
Speaker B:Well, it doesn't have to be you buying something too.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:There's a lot of free.
Speaker B:There's YouTube university out there.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:There's a lot of stuff you can teach yourself, but maybe it is something that you could pay for.
Speaker B:Now, people like this.
Speaker B:I don't want to completely like your Instagram.
Speaker B:I don't want to completely take a dump on Shelby SAP.
Speaker B:But I'm just saying, sales coaches.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:988,000 followers, right?
Speaker B:I don't sale.
Speaker B:I don't want to take them on sales coaches.
Speaker B:But what they're getting you to do is, is they're taking that advice of invest in yourself, right?
Speaker B:And they're preying on it.
Speaker A:And of course, just like the boys photos in her Ferrari.
Speaker A:I know this is a Lamborghini.
Speaker A:I apologize.
Speaker B:Strategically placed too.
Speaker A:By the way, pictures of her making out with her dude.
Speaker A:Pictures of her in the gym.
Speaker B:Probably teaching a course.
Speaker A:Her teaching a course of some type.
Speaker A:Again, I don't know how old this is.
Speaker A:Google, how old is Shelby Sapphire or.
Speaker A:No, go back, go back to the Instagram page.
Speaker A:I just recognized something.
Speaker A:Is her real name Shelby Haas?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, Google, hold on a second.
Speaker A:Let's.
Speaker A:Let's take two, two approach there.
Speaker A:Let's go to.
Speaker A:She sells Academy.
Speaker A:The Instagram.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:And the Academy page.
Speaker A:This is the Academy page.
Speaker A:Okay, interesting.
Speaker A:Go to.
Speaker A:Click on the links in the link in bio and see what's there.
Speaker A:If it's anything besides just the registration page.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:She links directly to registration page.
Speaker A:All right, now let's see if we can find for her on LinkedIn or something in this space.
Speaker A:She should probably have something.
Speaker A:Shelby Haas.
Speaker A:H A S. It's interesting to me that somebody.
Speaker A:You would think a high ticket salesperson would be somebody with experience.
Speaker A:I don't know how old she is and maybe she has, you know, amazing skin care, but she doesn't look that old.
Speaker A:So there you go.
Speaker A:Shelby has SAP.
Speaker A:Okay, so she's married.
Speaker A:Okay, there you go.
Speaker A:She sells Academy.
Speaker A:Let's.
Speaker A:Let's see what that job experience is, shall we?
Speaker B:Let's go down.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Tempeh, Arizona.
Speaker A:Scroll down, scroll down, scroll down.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:Sales manager.
Speaker A:So all the way to the beginning.
Speaker A:Let's go to the beginning here.
Speaker A:Go to all ten experiences.
Speaker A:Geez.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker A:All right, she started off as lead sales associate at Tilly's part time in Gilbert, Arizona for one year, seven months.
Speaker A:Went to VP of finance of figure skating, ASU part time, one year community events team, Dutch Bros Coffee events, part time VP of community relations, Alpha Fee International fraternity.
Speaker A:So she's a freshman of the executive board working.
Speaker A:Went back to Dutch Bros Coffee for three years as a barista.
Speaker A:So the majority of her job experience now really is in barista.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Regional marketing manager for Curtain part time for 10 months.
Speaker B:10 months?
Speaker A:Door to door sales representative for four months.
Speaker A:It was an internship at EcoShield Pest Solutions.
Speaker A:She worked for Clutch as search engine optimization specialist for two years and four months.
Speaker A:I worked alongside the co founders and strategize how to grow the companies quality.
Speaker B:SEO content to help them.
Speaker A:I mean there's some marketing there, but are you a high ticket closer?
Speaker A:No, it's just marketing.
Speaker A:She went to become a sales manager at Shield Marketing Private limited for four years and six months.
Speaker A: ue from May through August of: Speaker A:Sales manager for Shield Marketing Private Limited.
Speaker A:I don't know what that is.
Speaker A:And then shortly after that she started.
Speaker A:She was a founder for two years and 10 months at she sells academy.
Speaker A:Okay, so let me just.
Speaker A:Let me just go out on a limb here.
Speaker A:You have a million followers in 2 years and 10 months and you're a high ticket salesperson in 2 years or 10 months after becoming a CEO after 4 years of experience at a startup.
Speaker A:I mean, okay, go down to her education because.
Speaker A:Why not?
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker B:Just checking this out because.
Speaker A:I see.
Speaker A:Go back.
Speaker B:She's 23.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Go back to previous page issue 23.
Speaker A:That, that lines up here.
Speaker B:Education.
Speaker B:Here you go.
Speaker A:So she went to W.P.
Speaker A:carey School of Business, Arizona State University.
Speaker A:Got a bachelor's in marketing and management.
Speaker A:Okay, so she's good at marketing.
Speaker B:She's marketing herself.
Speaker A:She's marketed herself.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:Good for you.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's honestly impressive.
Speaker B:I'm pretty sure the reels and the posts gotta have a lot of fancy buzzwords.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Look, I still think that if you're somebody that is looking to gain anything from.
Speaker B:From somebody like Shelby Haas or Shelby SAP, the best thing you could do for yourself is to go out there and get your own real life experience.
Speaker B:She's not gonna.
Speaker B:She's not gonna teach you like a key buzzword to help you close a sale.
Speaker A:She's proving you don't need decades of experience to stack cash and live large.
Speaker A:When is the last time you heard.
Speaker A:Oh, Jesus Christ.
Speaker B:Pink porches, bro.
Speaker A:She really meant it.
Speaker A:Shelby SAP didn't stumble into success.
Speaker A:You chased it down and owned it.
Speaker A:At just 23, Shelby's net worth is already over 300,000.
Speaker B:It's 3.
Speaker B:Listen, take it easy.
Speaker B:Hey, take it easy.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker B:Let it go.
Speaker B:Keep going.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Shelby Staff didn't stumble into success she chased it down and owned it.
Speaker B:At just 23, Shelby's net worth is already over $300,000.
Speaker A:Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Speaker B:But she did it in a few months.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:A few months.
Speaker A:Go to the photo.
Speaker A:Go to the foot.
Speaker B:300,000.
Speaker A:Those cars alone are supposedly worth over three.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, okay, scroll down.
Speaker B:Maybe that was a typo.
Speaker B:Maybe they meant.
Speaker B:Maybe they meant 3 million.
Speaker B:Even then, if your net worth is 3 million, you shouldn't be owning that many cars.
Speaker B:Number one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You won't find Shelby Saps heightened headlines because it's her results that make her stand.
Speaker B:Wait, she's not married?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:She's about leveling up.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker B:Hey, come on.
Speaker B:She's not married.
Speaker B:She's about leveling up, okay?
Speaker A:She's.
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker A:Stop right there.
Speaker A:Rajeel, stop leveling up.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:This is a high ticket salesperson.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Shelby Sapp has made a name for herself as a sales beast in door to door pest control with EcoShield.
Speaker B:Wait, that wasn't on the LinkedIn, bro.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A:She's not just another salesperson.
Speaker A:She's a leader.
Speaker B:I'll tell you right now, if she showed up selling pest control and I signed up for that, the wife would be.
Speaker B:What are you doing?
Speaker B:Who are you signing up for?
Speaker A:Shelby is unapologetically ambitious, referring to herself as a literal psychopath when it comes to achieving her goals.
Speaker A:Her fearless approach has won her massive following on platforms like Tick Tock, where she shares raw, unfiltered strategies that you can either love or hate, but either way, you can't ignore.
Speaker B:Not for the higher standard boys.
Speaker B:We all.
Speaker A:Come on, Miami.
Speaker B:This is a hard pass, bro.
Speaker A:Epitome of hustle culture.
Speaker A:Climb the ranks of.
Speaker A:The most cutthroat industry is door to door sales.
Speaker A:That is not the most cutthroat industry.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:At 23, she's made $300,000.
Speaker B:Look, easy, there's a difference between your net worth and earning $300,000.
Speaker B:These are.
Speaker B:These are two completely different things.
Speaker A:I'm trying so hard to just not.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm going to do it.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:Can I just kind of.
Speaker A:Please.
Speaker B:No, we can't.
Speaker A:Can I just make one.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Just one.
Speaker A:Okay, One.
Speaker A:Just please.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Go, go, go.
Speaker B:Yes, Go.
Speaker B:The floor is yours.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're a better man.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker B:Be a better man.
Speaker B:We're gonna take the high road tonight.
Speaker B:The higher standard road, Right?
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Okay, so I found something that is.
Speaker A:Not gonna be good.
Speaker A:I love this is gonna be bad.
Speaker B:I love this, of course, is about $3,000.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:High ticket sales.
Speaker A:Her high ticket is her $3,000 course.
Speaker A:Oh, scam alert.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Hi, guys.
Speaker A:I've been really struggling financially lately on my Instagram, and I see a ton of posts by this girl named Shelby Sapp who sells sales, job placement, and a course on sales.
Speaker A:She's done two huge group calls with, like, 30k people, and I literally almost want to cry because all those people are getting successful and I'm stuck here doing nothing with my life.
Speaker A:I almost transferred 3k from my savings to buy it on the Zoom call with all those other girls, but something stopped me.
Speaker A:I'm not sure what, but it seems like a good investment because for 3K, I get a job and stuff so I can pay it back.
Speaker A:But then again, I've done so much research and she seems so legit, but also not.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I just wanted to give it more time.
Speaker A:I love this girl.
Speaker A:She's vulnerable.
Speaker B:She's vulnerable.
Speaker A:100% love is girl.
Speaker B:She's vulnerable.
Speaker A:I just wanted to give it more time to think because buying into this would make me spend all my savings.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:But she says I can make it all back by doing sales, so.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:Do you guys think she is legit or a scam?
Speaker A:Her Instagram is shelby.SAP.
Speaker B:I need a response.
Speaker A:God, please tell me somebody responded this girl.
Speaker B: We received a total of: Speaker B:Yes, all these reports were submitted in one day below the original pinned comment.
Speaker A:So that means that Shelby Sapp's team.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Probably spammed it.
Speaker A:Wait, no, no.
Speaker A:Go back up.
Speaker A:This post has been locked to new comments due to sheer volume of spam comments we received on September 2nd.
Speaker A:If Shelby wishes to respond to any of the claims the original posters post directly, she is more than welcome to make it standalone.
Speaker A:So this is traditional guru manipulative.
Speaker A:I despise this when they try to send their people and their teams and sometimes bots and scammer, you know, scam accounts to mass report anybody who goes against them to try to control the narrative.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:If this girl feels this way after being on your call and she didn't say anything derogatory.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Shoot.
Speaker A:Yeah, she was jamming the comments.
Speaker B:Look at this.
Speaker B:I love Plasticity is doing the Lord's work.
Speaker B:Who sells job placements.
Speaker B:And of course, on sales.
Speaker B:These aren't things.
Speaker B:100 scams doing the Lord's work.
Speaker A:30K bots.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:And they told fake stories to manipulate you.
Speaker A:Shelby sells scams by the seashore on Instagram.
Speaker A:Look, the only people getting rich are.
Speaker A:Are these creeps saying they can make others rich on social media and then taking your money.
Speaker A:Glad you didn't fall for this and came here instead.
Speaker A:Report the scammer and block and ignore.
Speaker A:Well, if you can make people give you 3k for no reason at all and lie like mad, you can too be successful.
Speaker A:There.
Speaker A:I didn't even charge for that.
Speaker A:Bang.
Speaker A:Yeah, now we know the bots were attacked.
Speaker A:From this thread it sounds like the sales course won't be beneficial to people having vague advice.
Speaker A:And she's buying it in her own sale.
Speaker A:Buying in her own sales, like an mlm.
Speaker A:Yeah, so yeah, you already have a bad feeling about it.
Speaker A:Trust your gut.
Speaker A:Don't believe social media.
Speaker A:It's all flashy to lure you in.
Speaker A:You don't know that what's shown is.
Speaker B:Really the truth or exaggerated to try and sell the course.
Speaker B:Yeah, hard pass from the higher standard, boys.
Speaker B:Hey, Shelby Sapp, welcome to Come on.
Speaker A:So every single post, it's called her a scam.
Speaker A:You gotta remember people can portray just about any image they want on socials.
Speaker A:I have a friend who's pretty well off.
Speaker A:His husband is about the palatial home and creature comforts.
Speaker A:He couldn't really care less.
Speaker A:And I could film at their place in front of.
Speaker A:Okay, nobody cares.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Please.
Speaker A:For anyone reading this, buying into her program.
Speaker A:For the love of God, do your research.
Speaker A:I've worked in in software sales for six years.
Speaker A:If you want to learn remote closing or sales, join the Sales Reddit forum and learn from people who have actually been in the field.
Speaker A:There is no secret sauce.
Speaker A:There is no program you need to buy.
Speaker A:Apply for an entry level remote sales job on bulletin and start from the ground up.
Speaker A:That's sage advice.
Speaker A:And yet these people were scammed or attacked by bot accounts and responses.
Speaker A:So, so much that.
Speaker A:And this, this is.
Speaker A:This is all over Instagram.
Speaker A:It's happened to me before.
Speaker A:It's happened to the podcast.
Speaker B:People want to believe in the pipe dream, man.
Speaker A:And look, and I guarantee you if make one clip about this chick, those comments will come for us too.
Speaker A:Oh yeah?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:100.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Just like Mr.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:Jesus Christ.
Speaker B:Just like Ms. Just Like Mr.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:And that's the thing, right?
Speaker B:Somebody like Shelby SAP, right?
Speaker B:She doesn't need everybody to buy in.
Speaker B:She just needs a handful.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's all she needs.
Speaker A:Dude, four of those a month.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:412 grand.
Speaker B:That's all she needs.
Speaker A:You do 10 of those a month.
Speaker A:Just 10amonth.
Speaker B:It's a numbers game.
Speaker A:30 grand.
Speaker B:It's a numbers game for them.
Speaker B:That's all it is.
Speaker A:Fishing in a barrel.
Speaker B:She's in.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:With dynamite.
Speaker A:Don't even give a damn.
Speaker A:You blow the barrel up.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:Savages, bro.
Speaker A:I can't do anymore.
Speaker A:I'm disgusted.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm tapped out.
Speaker B:If.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you like this episode, leave us a comment.
Speaker A:Official, you think?
Speaker B:I think hopefully the.
Speaker B:I think we got a couple submissions that were real.
Speaker B:I mean, we got.
Speaker B:We had one that people want us actually get into.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It was Christopher Nahibi.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's one going.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:We'll leave the person nameless.
Speaker B:I'll tell you after the show, because I know they were.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I know they were joking when they said it, but.
Speaker B:But let's go down a pedigree of what it actually looks like.
Speaker A:You want to do it real quick, first of all.
Speaker B:Yeah, let's go, let's go, let's go.
Speaker B:Let's go on Chris's page real quick.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Go on his.
Speaker B:Go on his.
Speaker B:LinkedIn.
Speaker B:First of all, I've been on there in a while, right?
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:So we have a podcast that doesn't sell anything.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Sell anything.
Speaker B:Nothing, Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Y' all don't buy anything from us.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Only.
Speaker B:Only thing we sell is sexy merch.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Scroll down.
Speaker A:So of my over 3,000 contacts here, that all came from the business world, none of that really came from the podcast.
Speaker A:You'll notice that the podcast and all that stuff on my profile really doesn't have a whole lot of following.
Speaker A:I just have it there to show people that that's what I do because I want to be transparent that I'm the same person.
Speaker A:I do post all the social clips that you see on social media on.
Speaker A:On this as well.
Speaker A:So, you know, I'm not hiding who I am in one platform or another.
Speaker A:I'm the same person on all platforms.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And on this episode or on this show, I should say, we talk a lot about financial literacy.
Speaker B:Why are you qualified to speak on financial literacy?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, let's scroll down here.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:Let's go back to the very beginning.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Avp, Director of National Sales.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:First Fidelity.
Speaker B:First Fidelity.
Speaker B:Back then, Right.
Speaker B:What did you do back then?
Speaker B:Single family real estate, Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Basically, we did sales across country.
Speaker B:Sales across the Country.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:From there you went into underwriting.
Speaker B:What does that do for five years?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I, well, because I wanted to know, I knew how to originate business, but I didn't understand how the back end worked.
Speaker A:So I wanted to understand how the back end worked, but that was again, single family.
Speaker A:And then I got to the point where I said, okay, I want to see the commercial side of the business.
Speaker A:And the person that I worked for at the time could not explain the commercial side of the business.
Speaker A:And I'm like, it can't be that hard.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker B:It, Right.
Speaker B:And what is this and what does this probably do for you while you're in, in that role?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Not only does it shows you, because when I first became an underwriter, my.
Speaker A:Job was really close to here, by the way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh really?
Speaker B:When I, when I, when I first became an underwriter.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, I, I, you take it because it's a job.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And, and we're doing loans.
Speaker B:But really what I'm seeing is, oh, this is the recipe.
Speaker B:I'm seeing, I'm seeing how all the ingredients that go into the cake.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:For the, for these investors.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And, and it's just like it's, you're learning subconsciously.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And you see, you see how people do the business.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And this is, and this is what, this is what I tell my kids all the time.
Speaker B:So my daughter's super into soccer and my son's super into basketball.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And I tell them the only way you're going to get better at these things that you really enjoy is pattern recognition.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You see enough of the same thing over and over again.
Speaker B:No one's ever going to tell you, like, look, all these people own their properties in a trust.
Speaker B:All these people own their properties in an llc.
Speaker A:Well, and that was my course that, that was, I didn't pay for a high tech, a closer.
Speaker A:Like my course was working and seeing it over and over and over again over time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I know that's not what people, people want.
Speaker A:People want like that easy exit.
Speaker A:They want like that easy answer.
Speaker A:But I don't have that path for you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Just don't.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then you, that, that's how you get your own experience.
Speaker B:Then from there, look, he goes into.
Speaker B:You work for impact.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And I got the 60 day war notice when they, so they were a single family lender, but they also did multi family.
Speaker A:I worked in the Multifamily Capital Corporation.
Speaker A:That's how I met a lot of People I still work with to this day.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:They had a 60 day war notice during the height of the Great Recession.
Speaker A: So September: Speaker B:So something.
Speaker B:Something.
Speaker B:Keep in mind here, a lot of people, a lot of the submissions that we're getting.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Are all people that have built their pages or their businesses or their companies over the last 14, 15 years.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All prosperous times.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, now look, we got some.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This is a case where you got somebody, right.
Speaker B:That was going through a prosperous time.
Speaker A:Lived through recessions.
Speaker B:Lived through.
Speaker A:Okay, look, look.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:One recession, two recessions.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And I lost my job in both of them.
Speaker B:Lost your job in both of them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Now scroll up.
Speaker A:So this is where it doesn't go into order because I was at the.
Speaker A:My job, my last job for 18 years.
Speaker A:So, yeah, the independent director one that I served as a director for Friendly Hills Bank.
Speaker A:Now Friendly Hills bank back then had a different name.
Speaker A:I was temporarily five, a couple month assignment, five or six months, whatever it was.
Speaker A:But then I can see you're a.
Speaker B:Little uncomfortable talking about yourself.
Speaker B:Say what?
Speaker B:Your chest.
Speaker A:I am a little uncomfortable talking about myself.
Speaker B:Is that we're not.
Speaker B:We're not bragging here.
Speaker B:We're just saying like, it's like, look, this is.
Speaker B:This is the type of person.
Speaker B:We're not saying, like, okay, trust me, trust me.
Speaker B:We're not even selling it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, look, it's facts and all that, but here's the problem is I think that it's lost on most people.
Speaker A:I think most people are like, this guy's got money, so I should listen.
Speaker A:They don't go.
Speaker A:Money and wisdom are not the same thing.
Speaker A:The smartest person in the company is generally not the CEO.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And the reason why this person, that CEO is usually more aggressive.
Speaker A:The reason why Shelby sapping people like that can.
Speaker A:Can be out there and do.
Speaker A:Because they have this aggressive.
Speaker A:And like, in her own words, she's psychopathic about this.
Speaker A:She probably means that, right?
Speaker A:I don't have the.
Speaker A:That aggressive mentality.
Speaker A:And I know that I'm the anomalous.
Speaker A:Like, I'm the different person here.
Speaker A:So I went from that into underwriting, and then from underwriting, I became the chief credit officer of the bank.
Speaker A:I was the chief credit officer of the bank for several years and then became the chief operating officer the last two years.
Speaker A:And during that time, I in full disclosure to the board and everybody else.
Speaker A:I started companies myself.
Speaker A:One was my Black Crown real estate company.
Speaker A:Then it was the Black Crown Law apc, which is my law firm.
Speaker A:Black Crown Realty opened up an app.
Speaker A:We have franchises, Texas and Oklahoma, and it's grown and it has my property management.
Speaker A:Both have effectively transitioned to managing my own family office at this point in time.
Speaker A:I do have franchisee for the Black Crown Realty.
Speaker A:And Black Crown Law does do some pro bono work from time to time, but it's been a long time because it's been so busy.
Speaker A:And then we started the podcast from that time.
Speaker A:So three companies while working for somebody else.
Speaker A:So taking my own advice, working 5pm to 9am multiple years, and like, for example, I knew when it came time to start the law firm that if I didn't do it soon, I was gonna have a son.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I had to do it.
Speaker A:So I worked my ass off to make it happen and to do those things.
Speaker A:I knew there wasn't gonna be an opportunity later on because of the time commitments in the podcast.
Speaker A:We started almost, you know, four and a half years ago now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:And I've been doing ever since.
Speaker A:And to be honest, I'm completely candid.
Speaker A:I am working on something new.
Speaker A:I haven't talked about it in full disclosure yet, and I probably won't for a while longer, but by the time I talk about it, it will be wildly successful.
Speaker A:We are already producing and running a business and it's, it's going quite well, knock on wood.
Speaker A:And I'm very happy about that.
Speaker A:But you might say, well, Chris, why aren't you teaching a course?
Speaker A:It's because I'm not going to make as much money selling courses as I am in this business.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:See, that's, that's the, that's the part that I don't understand why people.
Speaker B:Because maybe it's because I've seen enough financials.
Speaker B:I've seen enough people that actually live that life.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:As the kids like to say are about that life.
Speaker A:Well, look, I don't want to, to minimize how much some people are making selling courses because people are making, you know, 10, you know, tens of thousands of dollars, $100,000 a month.
Speaker A:Okay, great.
Speaker A:Good for you.
Speaker A:Those are like the, the rare exceptions to the rule, like any other business.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But I make more than most people in traditional corporate America because the skills that I've acquired over time.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Are very valuable.
Speaker A:That being said, I can make more than most people by just not working.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And to be completely candid, this is what I Was gonna say earlier, and I didn't say it.
Speaker A:I make more than that girl's net worth annually by not working.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:So just to just.
Speaker A:At 23, that probably feels like an accomplishment, and it is.
Speaker B:Flex on them.
Speaker A:Good for you.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a huge.
Speaker A:That's a huge win for you.
Speaker A:However, at 23, my net worth was higher than hers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I wasn't hustle culture.
Speaker B:Well, you also had enough perspective to know that, listen, I'm seeing the financials of everyone else around me like this.
Speaker B:This is not my end goal.
Speaker B:I'm going for more.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:And, you know, I bought a home and I, you know, I was a benefit benefactor of a great upswing in the economy that you really couldn't do today.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Me too.
Speaker B:I. I feel the same way.
Speaker B:You know, some of that sometimes gives me, like, imposter syndrome.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:It's like I just.
Speaker B:I just got lucky.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Honestly, I feel that way too.
Speaker B:You know, the only.
Speaker B:Only reason I was in a very comfortable home and the only reason why we even switched homes was my kids.
Speaker B:I wanted to get my kids in the right school district.
Speaker A:Yeah, you did.
Speaker A:At the right time.
Speaker A:I didn't think it was the right time when you did it.
Speaker A:I was very comfortable.
Speaker B:You were very uncomfortable about it.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, I'll do it for you, bro.
Speaker A:But I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So I still am uncomfortable about everything.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, me too.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker A:But if you go back, I mean, look, I've got an education.
Speaker A:I've got a law degree.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The Yale School of Management.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That was a good experience.
Speaker A:Experience.
Speaker A:And look, again, I'm not expecting anybody to look at me and be like, oh, my God, he's a genius.
Speaker A:He's amazing.
Speaker A:But I'm just saying, like, look, you.
Speaker B:Know, there's a difference.
Speaker A:We're offering this free here, not selling a course, because there is inherent value here.
Speaker A:I guarantee you, if you listen to this show, even partial bits of the show, or just watch the fucking clips on social media, if you got an ADD or adhd, whatever, like, I get it.
Speaker A:You did.
Speaker A:Long form format's hard to listen to sometimes.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:If you just listen to that stuff in your spare time when you're all going to the bathroom, we know you have your phones.
Speaker A:You will get more than you get out of these courses, I guarantee you.
Speaker B:Yeah, you'll start.
Speaker B:Hopefully.
Speaker B:Hopefully for some people, even if it's only just.
Speaker B:Even if it's only one person, just adopt the fact that Okay.
Speaker B:I got to put in the work.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:There's no.
Speaker B:There's no 10xing on my next investment.
Speaker B:Ain't gonna happen, chief.
Speaker A:No, you just got to build over time.
Speaker B:And if you get lucky, let's say you build a portfolio to where you have.
Speaker B:You could.
Speaker B:How much would you say?
Speaker B:10.
Speaker B:Into speculative investments.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:If you have enough money to play with where you could actually do that.
Speaker A:I don't really do speculative investments.
Speaker A:I put my money like.
Speaker A:Like I bought Apple a long time ago, so I love the products.
Speaker A:My money's still there.
Speaker A:It's doubled and doubled.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, it's been a good return.
Speaker A:Now, again, it's not money that's doing things that's paying me a dividend when they pay, you know, but again, like, if you don't love your job, job you love.
Speaker A:It's never going on.
Speaker B:I love that for you.
Speaker A:I love that for you.
Speaker A:It's never going away.
Speaker B:All right, y' all got anything else?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:No?
Speaker B:All right, an hour and 42.
Speaker A:It has a long one.
Speaker A:Good job.
Speaker B:All right, good night, everybody.
Speaker A:Goodbye.
Speaker B:Goodbye.
Speaker A:The proper way.
